Originally posted by JonoKyleLet me guess; you're from New Zealand.
Worst refereeing/touch judging in a rugby game that I've seen for a very long time. Countless times, France weren't pulled up for being offside, weren't pulled up for hands in the ruck, and weren't even called for a blatant forward pass that ended up in a try.
The yellow card on McAlister? Shouldn't have even been penalised, yet the ref somehow managed ...[text shortened]... andling errors, and there barely seemed to be a single kick that found touch from them...
Well matey, it seems your players have accepted defeat far more graciously than you have. LMFAO.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveThey don't have much choice. If any of them make a comment against the referee, they're immediately spat on by the rest of the rugby community.
[b]your players have accepted defeat far more graciously than you haveb]
Honestly, if a referee handed your side 10 points, and made it easy for you to score another 7, I don't think you'd be happy either.
But, there's no changing a scoreline once the game is over. And I think Wayne Barnes' cup is over too.
Well, I'm gutted with the result but congratulations to France - they tackled their hearts out and showed that even without their legendary unpredictability and mercurial talent they can still win the big ones.
In all honestly, though, I think far too much emphasis has been put on the importance of the World Cup - I'd naturally love for us to win it again but then the pain of losing tonight is more than offset by the fact that we win 85% + of our games year in and year out.
Oh well - go the Argentinians or Saffas! 😀
Originally posted by JonoKyleThe yellow card on McAlister? Shouldn't have even been penalised, yet the ref somehow managed to find something malicious there.
Worst refereeing/touch judging in a rugby game that I've seen for a very long time. Countless times, France weren't pulled up for being offside, weren't pulled up for hands in the ruck, and weren't even called for a blatant forward pass that ended up in a try.
The yellow card on McAlister? Shouldn't have even been penalised, yet the ref somehow managed ...[text shortened]... andling errors, and there barely seemed to be a single kick that found touch from them...
it certainly was a penalty and no arguments with yellow card - went in with his shoulder and tried to look innocent - in those situations you make your choices Mcalister chose to use his shoulder he could have easily pulled out - he was quite clever in making it look almost accidental but unless you are in the air you can always pull put of a challenge if you wish - i admit i don't always - as the old adage goes "get you first tackle in early - even if it is late"
France weren't pulled up for being offside, weren't pulled up for hands in the ruck, and weren't even called for a blatant forward pass that ended up in a try.
The abs are past masters at this they introduced "lazy running" and McCaw is hardly an innocent bystannder when it comes to hands in the ruck.
Blatant forward pass - yes from TV ananlysis but ref and linesmen are at full pace following play. In every game refs miss forwards passes when the game is played at pace there were a couple from the abs - just didn't lead to tries - he does not have the option to go to the tmo for foward passes - and from player reaction ABS did not think it was a howler.
Accept that the ABs were outplayed on the day - and it is beyond me why they kept driving the fringes - eng have proved that doesn't work - the expansive game and passing out of the tackle just wasn't working well enough for whatever reason - but please do not go on like an overpaid soccer player about the poor ref - (a) he wasn't (b) both teams had the same ref.
Bravo France on a well deserved win.
Both the French and English sides aren't the greatest at present but they have camaraderie and bottle to burn, they stepped up, took it to the opposition and sat them on their backsides.
Three hours sleep and a day at work in a very sleepy town today.
I listened to sport talk radio this afternoon for a few minutes.. lots of very silly very disgruntled nzers winging today..
In terms of handling errors this is the worst nz side since the seventies (per post much earlier in the thread) ten dropped balls this week was an improvement on the twenty last week.
At least Henry's big rotation policy and pick and run tactics have been blown away as bollocks.. new leadership and back to basics for the ABs.
As an ex-pat solid Sotonian I thoroughly enjoyed the tighter English game. I loved the grit in that game and will remember that English victory as the high point of the weekend.
Special congrats and thanks to the French for correctly standing up to the ABs Haka.. that was a mark of true respect and guts... good on you.
We'll be sleeping in tonight (if I miss Fiji beating SA I'll eat my fav Akubra hat) but will be up next week for the semis.
Lastly.. come on nz fans leave the ref alone we had plenty of chances to win this game and blew it.
Oh granted we definitely blew the match. I'm not placing sole blame on the ref at all, especially as France defended incredibly well and took the advantages handed to them. We have big players and great attacking backs, all of whom seem to have bananas for hands sometimes. Composure wasn't there either. They had plenty of chances to take the game back in the last 10 minutes, but didn't.
However, when you yellow card someone for a tackle off the ball when he is attempting to field a kick put over his head, effectively disorienting him, especially when the other player ran straight into him, then it becomes quite obvious what it was that changed the tempo of the game. Went in with his shoulder? To say he went in with his shoulder implies he was trying to tackle the guy and didn't use his arms. There was no intentional impeding of that French player. The rugby rules state that a player has no obligation to move out of the way of an opposing player (if you're onside, of course). If they run into you, it's tough luck for them. Funnily enough, a French player committed the exact same offense about 20 minutes afterwards, without so much as a word from the ref...
And yea, refs and touch judges miss forward passes all the time. It's just frustrating when our marginally forward ones are called up (and fair enough, so they should be) and their blatant ones aren't.
But, France was ahead on the scoreboard at the end and I guess that's all that matters. Good luck to them, I'm hoping for a France vs Argentina final (don't know if it'll happen, but hoping for it). I just don't want to see Wayne Barnes in another one of our important matches for a long time yet. Bitterness makes you want to blame someone, heh.
To Lasserax: Remember this?
Move 7 Lasserax
yes...ill keep playing you till then... should be great fun
Move 7 Roley
i will remember u come the final...that's if u will be there...
Move 6 Lasserax
ive beaten you in chess, pipped you in our debate and you cant win the world cup... Have a great day... Im off to bed
Move 6 Roley
it's obvious u never played and u dont know the game...i thought we could have an intelligent debate...nevermind...
Move 5 Lasserax
yep all south africans are the same thats how you all play rugby like your grandmother thats why you will never win...
Move 5 Roley
do u really now the game? did u play? because my 78 year old granny can walk in the park!
Move 4 Lasserax
ha ha itll be a walk in the park ...
Move 4 Roley
I must refrain my question. "Do u think u will beat us (SA) in the final?...i dont think so...
Move 3 Lasserax
yep and they will be in the final with australia or south africa there is no other team really in it i think
Move 3 Roley
do u think that the kiwis will win this rugby world cup?
Originally posted by JonoKyleExcuses, excuses. Wait until the ABs get home and then you'll see lots more coming out. Who knows what it will be this time? French hookers kept us awake at night? Dodgy croissants?
Worst refereeing/touch judging in a rugby game that I've seen for a very long time. Countless times, France weren't pulled up for being offside, weren't pulled up for hands in the ruck, and weren't even called for a blatant forward pass that ended up in a try.
The yellow card on McAlister? Shouldn't have even been penalised, yet the ref somehow managed ...[text shortened]... andling errors, and there barely seemed to be a single kick that found touch from them...
With the possession and territory count, there's no ways the French should have won, but they did because NZ couldn't score more points.
Originally posted by treetalkThe whole purpose behind NZ rugby development including the squad system over the last been four years has been geared towards the World Cup. That win ratio means nothing when they can't put it together for the big one.
In all honestly, though, I think far too much emphasis has been put on the importance of the World Cup - I'd naturally love for us to win it again but then the pain of losing tonight is more than offset by the fact that we win 85% + of our games year in and year out.
Oh well - go the Argentinians or Saffas! 😀
What does it say when the only time the ABs won the cup was when they weren't the favourites?
Originally posted by boarmanSo you want to see sides going all out to score 2 quick tries and then infringe for the rest of the game, killing and slowing the ball down so the opposition can't score tries?
So did Mortlock
once again the team that scores a try loses to penalty kicks.
Time for the IRB to review this before the next world cup
Idiotic.
Originally posted by CrowleyRepeated infringements means a yellow card,when teams are reduced of players ,the opposition usually score.
So you want to see sides going all out to score 2 quick tries and then infringe for the rest of the game, killing and slowing the ball down so the opposition can't score tries?
Idiotic.
Play is being killed and slowed down now ,so i dont know where your coming at.
Once again i find myself in a debate with you Crowley and your experience at playing rugby lacks mine,as we have worked out in the past.There has to be more emphasis on scoring tries,i would of loved England go for a pushover try when they were clearly dominating the scrums ,but no they went for the 3 point option.
And if i was watching the game correctly the Wallabies opposition (being England)couldnt score a try.
Put it this way ,there is 4 years to the next cup and at least a trial of it wouldnt do any harm,just to see if it opens the game up to more attack.
Originally posted by boarmanNothing like a whingeing Aussie!
Repeated infringements means a yellow card,when teams are reduced of players ,the opposition usually score.
Play is being killed and slowed down now ,so i dont know where your coming at.
Once again i find myself in a debate with you Crowley and your experience at playing rugby lacks mine,as we have worked out in the past.There has to be more emphasis on sc ...[text shortened]... d at least a trial of it wouldnt do any harm,just to see if it opens the game up to more attack.
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Originally posted by SquelchbelchNot whinging at all,if you cared to read back through the posts you will see that i agreed that England deserved their victory as they were clearly the better team on the day.And this subject of reducing the amount of points for penalties and drop goals was talked about before the cup even started,i was just highlighting the fact to put more emphasis on attacking rugby.
Nothing like a whingeing Aussie!
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