27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by CrowleyNo joining of clubs but you surely can't believe that in all the games McCaw plays in, the refs (despite being well aware of the endless complaints) continue to 'let him get away' with cheating.
Blah blah blah blah.
Nice to see you joined the Tirau Dan club.
Ritchie is good, but he isn't a mile ahead of anyone. Schalk Burger is a much better flanker and on the ground nobody can touch George Smith (at least HE gets penalized when he infringes).
The Saffas are a very good side. The Aussies are always dangerous despite their S14 teams' results this year.
The All Blacks? Despite mixing ordinary form with some sublime play this year, will always be labelled cheats by some people ... usually for no other reason than that they beat their antagonist's team.
It's like people are hypnotised into being mindless followers of that git of a journalist (Stephen Jones?) - come hell or high water no praise of a very good team (the ABs) is allowed.
When the All Blacks get beaten, occasionally it's because they play like crud but most of the time it''s because the other team were better on the day/week/month.
As a Kiwi I'm a rabid AB supporter but I have no problem praising an opposition win - I get irritated when people immediately reach for the ref or cheating McCaw chestnuts every time the ABs win.
28 Jun 07
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Originally posted by treetalkBut he does! And this is the reason he almost never comes off the pitch without a black eye... He is very clever and may do it where the ref can't see, but you can't hide from the cameras.
No joining of clubs but you surely can't believe that in all the games McCaw plays in, the refs (despite being well aware of the endless complaints) continue to 'let him get away' with cheating.
The Saffas are a very good side. The Aussies are always dangerous despite their S14 teams' results this year.
The All Blacks? Despite mixing ordinary form wi ople immediately reach for the ref or cheating McCaw chestnuts every time the ABs win.
What really irritated me about the last 2 week's rugby was the fact that a bok got sent off in each game for slowing the ball down while the opposition got away with it. All I (we - the rugby spectators) ask for is consistency.
The boks forwards are the best in the world at the moment and I believe both the all blacks and wallabies used the slowing tactics to nullify that advantage.
I don't ever shout 'cheat', both teams ALWAYS infringe. It's a fact. The ref should just try to control the game and blow consistently...
Look, I will never say the ABs only won because of it. They have been the side to measure any other side against for years. Even while they don't play well, they still win the games. They have a winning 'culture' and an air of arrogance - a 'just relax boys, throw the ball around and we will score' attitude that makes them very dangerous, especially when the chips are down.
They are the one team I hope the boks don't have to face en route to a possible world cup.
28 Jun 07
Originally posted by CrowleyJust a little bit more blah!!
But he does! And this is the reason he almost never comes off the pitch without a black eye... He is very clever and may do it where the ref can't see, but you can't hide from the cameras.
What really irritated me about the last 2 week's rugby was the fact that a bok got sent off in each game for slowing the ball down while the opposition got away with it ...[text shortened]... e the one team I hope the boks don't have to face en route to a possible world cup.
The sa forwards are strong and amazing but they did lack fitness around the field last week. Perhaps they will eventually turn up again to play and prove how good they are over 80 minutes.
This anti McCaw diatribe is wearisome I hate saying someone is the best in the world, past or present. McCaw is a fast, clever and fearless ball winner on the ground, I don't rate his strength through the line or ball retention skills. I prefer young Marty Holah but he's for the next cup I suspect.
The SA's get pinged because like abs Troy Flavell and Chris Jack etc they infringe clumsily, blatantly and usually right in front of the ref they also get mouthy and attract attention refs all hate that.
This morning's radio news report said that the SA manager got off the plane and handed the boss of the Australian rfu TWENTY DOCTORS CERTIFICATES for the players left behind. The Aus RFU are taking the matter further. The radio stations here are laughing at the aussies pi sss take on the abs (lots of sheep jokes and stuff..very funny.. we love that!!! but they are really pushing the sick note jokes from the SA's...thats sad hahaha
What is your honest solution for the ref problem as you see it.
Do you want all refs to see through your eyes?
You have had the same treatment by refs from several continents..that says it all.
28 Jun 07
Originally posted by Tirau DanYeah lets get off the ritchie debate ,we all know what he does.
Just a little bit more blah!!
The sa forwards are strong and amazing but they did lack fitness around the field last week. Perhaps they will eventually turn up again to play and prove how good they are over 80 minutes.
This anti McCaw diatribe is wearisome I hate saying someone is the best in the world, past or present. McCaw is a fast, clever and f ...[text shortened]... es?
You have had the same treatment by refs from several continents..that says it all.
I think the refs need more education and to be more consistent .Its this inconsistency that is more harder to police than the offside rule.
As a player it happens here and with some refs they penalise you for an infringement and others let them go .
If the refs referee a game to the laws it would be very stop start ,but the players would have to adapt and play everything to the law, no trying to beat the system as you would say .
so lets get back to rugby's positives and each teams chances in the world cup.
Wehave here an Auyssie in me,A couple of New Zealanders,and a South African in this debate ,so lets each of us put our teams positives and negatives forward.
28 Jun 07
Originally posted by boarmanDeal.. I'm zipped on negatives.
Yeah lets get off the ritchie debate ,we all know what he does.
I think the refs need more education and to be more consistent .Its this inconsistency that is more harder to police than the offside rule.
As a player it happens here and with some refs they penalise you for an infringement and others let them go .
If the refs referee a game to the laws it ...[text shortened]... South African in this debate ,so lets each of us put our teams positives and negatives forward.
The game on Saturday will be a cracker. There is no better incentive that that big hunk of silver " The Bledisloe Cup". Aus have an awesome well seasoned unit with the injection of pacey Adam Ashley Cooper. That boy is keen as mustard to burst the abs back line and will get his chance as Mils Muliaina gets his 50th test playing at his less familiar role of centre. I think Stirling and Adam will be running the ball through the centre testing Mils' in the tackle.
Aus also know how to play the ball infront of the NZ sticks and area I fear Chris Jack loses discipline and gives away penalties. I hope we don't lose that way.
I can't pick this game.. a sensible guess would be to say a close win to aus because we don;t have cemented combinations. But the heart yearns and rings for a really big win to NZ.. 15 or 20 points. I don't bet but if I did I'd try a 20 on a 20 ptr to NZ.. I may get the only decent odds that way.
On a lighter (tongue in cheek fun) note lets have a straw poll bet on who gets the first yellow card or gives away 3pts .. Chris Jack or George Smith? I say Jack and if wrong I'll shut up about the game until at least Monday our time.
I'll be at a pub iun Rotorua watching it.
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by Tirau DanThat may be the case.
The SA's get pinged because like abs Troy Flavell and Chris Jack etc they infringe clumsily, blatantly and usually right in front of the ref
Still, Ritchie breaks the laws and gets away with it - meaning the refs aren't doing their jobs.
I don't understand why we can't have a 2nd ref up in a box like cricket who is in constant contact with the ref on the field. The cameras follow the ball, so he can easily see infringements, relay the message and the field ref can penalise the offender.
Problem solved.
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by CrowleyAny chance you could get a link for youtube - sounds like it was really some try
Didn't he score that 60+ meter try in the S14 where he broke a tackle, got tackled again, but wasn't held, got up and sprinted half the field to score?
I can't remember if it was him. That was one of the tries of the decade.
30 Jun 07
Originally posted by CrowleyThe game will end up like American football where it would take 3 hours to play an 80 minute game ,
That may be the case.
Still, Ritchie breaks the laws and gets away with it - meaning the refs aren't doing their jobs.
I don't understand why we can't have a 2nd ref up in a box like cricket who is in constant contact with the ref on the field. The cameras follow the ball, so he can easily see infringements, relay the message and the field ref can penalise the offender.
Problem solved.
The refs just have to get more tuned up to whats happening,or a second official on the field where one ref can control the open side and another who can do the blind side.
I have just started refereeing kids games and its a very difficult thing to do,firstly remembering all the laws of rugby,watching where the ball is all the time,looking for opponents offside ,so yeah the refs need more help ,but not in the form of an official in a box.
30 Jun 07
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Originally posted by boarmanWhy? I'm not talking about referrals up to a 'third umpire' - He should give basically a running commentary to the ref on the field. Why would that slow the game down?
The game will end up like American football where it would take 3 hours to play an 80 minute game ,
The refs just have to get more tuned up to whats happening,or a second official on the field where one ref can control the open side and another who can do the blind side.
I have just started refereeing kids games and its a very difficult thing to do,firstly ...[text shortened]... opponents offside ,so yeah the refs need more help ,but not in the form of an official in a box.
If there's a knock on the ref couldn't see, and many more infringements at the ruck could be penalised.
30 Jun 07
Originally posted by CrowleyCause every single infringement will be seen and you would get that stop start affair that we dont want
Why? I'm not talking about referrals up to a 'third umpire' - He should give basically a running commentary to the ref on the field. Why would that slow the game down?
If there's a knock on the ref couldn't see, and many more infringements at the ruck could be penalised.
Only 2 hours to go to Bledisloe Cup game
GO THE WALLABIES