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@wildgrass saidA simple answer to WGrass' angst....Find a Subdivision that has no HOA or Declaration of Covenants (Decs).. Because this wonderful country gives you that choice. I will not go into why I LOVE covenants, but i want to live in a subdivision that has covenants which all have to live by....be regulated by.. Yeah, I am restricted from putting a sawmill in my backyard, but more important To Me is that my neighbors are restricted from acting in any way that affects my way of life.
Oof, bad take. Everyone hates HOAs because the rules are arbitrary, often unnecessary, and open to interpretation and abuse.
I guess that I could make an argument on some of the items that you think make sense, but why bother? Mine make sense, too. See this list, EVERY ONE of these would pis me off!! Note that every on of them is 'in your face'. Esp your lab jumping up on my sunday britches. The worst of ALL? Noise.
So this simple answer renders your post moot, because all it does is give reasons for odd people to get angst over covenants. We got it. Good luck with all that. Please tell me you won't put your barbecue grill in the front yard.
See this list for your edification. I would love to see you find where Subdivisions are better off without Covenants.
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Common HOA Violations
Landscaping
As part of their operations, homeowners associations are also responsible for how the neighborhood looks. This also means overseeing how each house presents itself outside, including the landscaping in the front yard.
As a result, many HOAs will restrict the types of plants and trees that homeowners can plant and limit the areas where you could grow them.
Fencing
Similarly, the association may restrict the type, or even the color of the fence residents can put around your property. In most cases, these restrictions will relate to maintaining the aesthetic of the estate.
However, in some cases, they might be in place to protect the community. Take those storm-prone areas of the country, for example. High winds can quickly turn certain types of fences into projectiles in those places, posing a danger to others in the community. Specific fencing guidelines help limit the possibility of such situations occurring.
Noise
Naturally, no HOA board will restrict what sounds can or cannot be heard in the community. However, you may decide to impose rules regarding noise levels at certain times of the day or night.
A typical example of such regulation is keeping the noise levels down between late evening and early morning to tame noisy neighbors and allow residents the much-needed sleep and rest.
Note that, often, noise rules follow the noise ordinances set out by your city or county.
Social Gatherings
In line with noise regulations, you might also impose rules for social gatherings in households. For example, these regulations might restrict the times when parties can be happening outside and rules for overnight guest parking.
Garbage
HOA boards will often define where residents can keep garbage bins - typically store them away, rather than being held in plain view at the front of the house.
Moreover, many associations will also specify which items cannot be tossed into the trash and need to be dispensed differently. These items often include old furniture or electronics.
Vehicles and Parking
Many HOAs will have defined the type of vehicles that residents can keep on the property. As a result, your neighborhood may or may not permit parking of boats, commercial vehicles, or RVs at the driveway or the street.
Similarly, the association may have set out rules for overnight parking on the street and other neighborhood areas.
Exterior Storage
An HOA may put restrictions on the type of equipment residents can keep in front of your house or on the lawn. Such restrictions might require hiding bicycles, gardening equipment, as well as any other tools and mechanical appliances behind a fence and out of view.
Similarly, HOA might require residents not to erect sheds or any other storage facilities at the front of the house.
Exterior Decor
One of the most amazing things about HOA neighborhoods is how well and uniform those properties look together.
But that doesn’t happen by chance.
Most HOAs will protect the neighborhood’s uniformity by setting up rules that define (and limit) the design changes residents can make to their homes. For example, these rules might relate to such simple elements as the exterior house paint color and define the type of decor homeowners can use.
In some cases, residents may need to obtain written permission from the HOA board to make the planned changes to the house’s exterior.
Holiday Decorations
Let’s face it; some of us may like to go a little crazy with holiday decorations. We may want to decorate our homes with Christmas lights, set up light projectors on the front lawn, and so on.
Typically, HOAs set no rules and regulations regarding the type of holiday decorations. However, as a board member, you might decide to define how soon before the holiday you are allowed to put up those decorations, and when they have to be gone.
Pets
Let’s face it; some residents love pets more than others. As an HOA board member, you must cater to everyone and ensure that both groups can coexist happily with each other. This typically means setting up rules and regulations regarding keeping pets in the neighborhood - setting up areas where dogs can and cannot walk, whether they need to be kept on leashes, and even limiting the number and breed of pets allowed in households.
Business Activities
Most HOAs do not object to residents working from home. There is little disruption to others when you’re typing away at a computer from the comfort of your home office, after all.
But the situation is different if a resident decides to run a business that might disrupt their neighbors’ quality of life. For example, take small home-based manufacturing plants or construction businesses. Both will require constant deliveries, pickups, and storing of equipment and business vehicles on the estate.
To maintain everyone’s quality of life, you might have to restrict the types of businesses that can be operated from a property and define rules for parking and traffic levels in and out of the company.
Undisclosed Rentals
In many HOA communities, various rules affect whether homeowners can sublet their properties or not. Insurance is one such factor. The cost of the in
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@wildgrass saidYou are so conflicted. You are against government spending, Biden has spent $7 trillion in three years, and some of the spending is to pay the debts of losers. He actually said a few days ago that I will never stop working on canceling debt. This like many of everyone’s posts fall on deaf ears.
I'm against govt spending in general, but at least if it's spent in the USA then it benefits us.
A floating dock? Wendy's could make 335 million cheeseburgers for that price and would feed Gaza for a year at least.
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@wildgrass saidYou are from Mars? No one likes HOA to keep everything orderly? What if a blatant loud racist lives next door, zero lot lines, and I hang my Black Live Matter flag. Big fight? Maybe , or maybe just hate fuming. Then his flag comes up, of some really hateful stuff, the feud boils over, people take sides, we all get scared so go buy some guns, one for each family member. Then we.........
Oof, bad take. Everyone hates HOAs because the rules are arbitrary, often unnecessary, and open to interpretation and abuse.
Oh never mind, you are a lib. This is part of your life. I might see you over the back fence , and say do you think Alabama will win tomorrow, or do you want to play golf tomorrow, and you will start talking about Trump and then I will slug you flat on your face, and you sue me, maybe win, and lives are ruined.
I like covenenants myself, so losers don't run amok.
@AverageJoe1 saidObummer spent too much money. $600 billion over budget every year.
You are so conflicted. You are against government spending, Biden has spent $7 trillion in three years, and some of the spending is to pay the debts of losers. He actually said a few days ago that I will never stop working on canceling debt. This like many of everyone’s posts fall on deaf ears.
Trump doubled it, before COVID. Remember, everything was going hunky dory getting out of wars and record stock market? Booming economy? Trump spending was over $1 trillion over budget in 2019, before COVID.
Then COVID hit and he was over budget by 16% of GDP. World war II numbers. He sent a laaarge check to every American. But unlike world war II he didn't plan to pay for it. Didn't talk about how that money was being printed and would cause inflation.
Yes, Biden is bad I agree. But the deficit numbers are way down from Trump. If you look historically over the past 40 years, republican presidents are consistently over average on deficit spending while Democrat presidents are consistently below average.
The spending is less when Democrats are in the white house.
@AverageJoe1 saidLibbies love HOAs because it gives them more control over what you do on your own dang property.
You are from Mars? No one likes HOA to keep everything orderly? What if a blatant loud racist lives next door, zero lot lines, and I hang my Black Live Matter flag. Big fight? Maybe , or maybe just hate fuming. Then his flag comes up, of some really hateful stuff, the feud boils over, people take sides, we all get scared so go buy some guns, one for each family m ...[text shortened]... sue me, maybe win, and lives are ruined.
I like covenenants myself, so losers don't run amok.
I'll paint my shingles pink if I want to. Luckily i have normal neighbors who don't care, but some day they may move out. I am so glad I'm not stuck in a subjective, controlling HOA micromanaging my own life.
Get outta here with that joe. HOAs obsessed with telling your neighbor how to mow their lawn and you're slow clapping?
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@wildgrass saidTrump and Obama. got it.
Obummer spent too much money. $600 billion over budget every year.
Trump doubled it, before COVID. Remember, everything was going hunky dory getting out of wars and record stock market? Booming economy? Trump spending was over $1 trillion over budget in 2019, before COVID.
Then COVID hit and he was over budget by 16% of GDP. World war II numbers. He sent a laaarge che ...[text shortened]... dents are consistently below average.
The spending is less when Democrats are in the white house.
Oh, did they use it to buy votes? Literally hand out money? Can you answer this question? No Sue Or Son-ease, please.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYes, Trump insisted that he put his own name on the checks. Buying votes, buying fealty. Only it wasn't his money.
Trump and Obama. got it.
Oh, did they use it to buy votes? Literally hand out money? Can you answer this question? No Sue Or Son-ease, please.
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@wildgrass saidNow you are trying to confuse Sue again.
Yes, Trump insisted that he put his own name on the checks. Buying votes, buying fealty. Only it wasn't his money.
His signing aid checks in an emergency ( not his own personal decision gifting, by the way, like Biden telling SCOTUS to kiss as.). is , was, not the same as Biden handing about a few billion here, and a few billion there so we won't see it. Only 5% OF voters rate Climate Change to be important, but he is breast-feeding those parasites.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-buying-votes-ensure-re-election-heres-how-youre-paying
Pretty weak post, WGrass, I would expect better.
@wildgrass saidBe fair....maybe it was a way to show he had gone to bat for these people in need. You don't know politics, little feller. There was nothing nefarious about it. Biden is in our face, and in the face of SCOTUS.................buying the votes of pitiful little people, who with free money, will never amount to Shytye.
Yes, Trump insisted that he put his own name on the checks. Buying votes, buying fealty. Only it wasn't his money.
They will work for scraps under my children. The good news is that my children will have have a LOt of jobs ot be filled.
Worky, worky
@wildgrass saidI think HOA is telllin you what you cannot do. And if you dont mow your lawn, it will be the health dept that pays you a visit.
Libbies love HOAs because it gives them more control over what you do on your own dang property.
I'll paint my shingles pink if I want to. Luckily i have normal neighbors who don't care, but some day they may move out. I am so glad I'm not stuck in a subjective, controlling HOA micromanaging my own life.
Get outta here with that joe. HOAs obsessed with telling your neighbor how to mow their lawn and you're slow clapping?
So, you REALLY don't think there should be guidelines for existing in close quarters with people you don't know? Did you see above, a racist moves in and hangs a flag that Blacks are Bad People, somethign like that? YOu really would live in such a neighborhood? Wildgrass. We are just talking here,you and me, at Starbucks. I meet you for coffee, I tell you my neighbor just hung out an israel flag and plays loud music and has a pig roasting for 12 hours in his front overgrown yard. I adore Hamas and love Palestiine, and the Philipinos.
I am very disheartened and unhappy raising my kids, and me , and my wife. I cannot have my law partners over for dinner. I do NOT want my kids to have their friends over, music all night they could not sleep.
Will you not be disingenuous for once in your forum life and tell me what you reallly think?
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@Wajoma saidWHY wilo they not respond to this perfect post? I guess when you lose, you take your toys and go home?
You have a right to acquire a home, but a home is not a right.
A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. The grand daddy of all rights is the right to live, this does not mean others must provide you the means to live.
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@AverageJoe1 saidWhen you get your 'facts' from Fox News, no wonder you sound like an idiot.
Now you are trying to confuse Sue again.
His signing aid checks in an emergency ( not his own personal decision gifting, by the way, like Biden telling SCOTUS to kiss as.). is , was, not the same as Biden handing about a few billion here, and a few billion there so we won't see it. Only 5% OF voters rate Climate Change to be important, but he is breast-feeding thos ...[text shortened]... es-ensure-re-election-heres-how-youre-paying
Pretty weak post, WGrass, I would expect better.
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@wildgrass saidMost HOAs are conservative in nature.
Libbies love HOAs because it gives them more control over what you do on your own dang property.
I'll paint my shingles pink if I want to. Luckily i have normal neighbors who don't care, but some day they may move out. I am so glad I'm not stuck in a subjective, controlling HOA micromanaging my own life.
Get outta here with that joe. HOAs obsessed with telling your neighbor how to mow their lawn and you're slow clapping?
Little kings and queens lording it over their own homemade little kingdoms.
Getting everyone to 'toe the line'. Or else.
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@wildgrass saidLets say you are right, I aint gonna study that or Jan 6...You are likely right or would not have researched all that.
Obummer spent too much money. $600 billion over budget every year.
Trump doubled it, before COVID. Remember, everything was going hunky dory getting out of wars and record stock market? Booming economy? Trump spending was over $1 trillion over budget in 2019, before COVID.
Then COVID hit and he was over budget by 16% of GDP. World war II numbers. He sent a laaarge che ...[text shortened]... dents are consistently below average.
The spending is less when Democrats are in the white house.
So here we are. Out president is spending too much money in a society of huge inflation and something around 3 wars going on. Further the cost of illegal immigrants and also free college is on the horizon. If I were researching, the problems are endless to list.
Biden, today, is spending too much money. It hurts us all. It doesnt hurt foreigners like Shav, who can apparently live off the land and other people, but it is very unhealthy for the US. Do you think it is OK, the money he is spending?