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@spruce112358 saidThis stuff. This is where I get it. Had you done this, I would not be worth what I am now. The property restrictions you want give me the creeps.
I don't think you know what you want. You plead with Spruce to give you answers, and then you don't like the answers!
I'm talking about reducing regulations and changing the tax code, not getting rid of freedom, not dictating.
Where do you get these things?! 😀
And you know, every word I read from you libs as to what you would do, leads my mind to its being only one dictate of the many yet to come. Give kid ice cream, he wants more. Remember tht I am 150% capitalist and freedom and liberty. You are ceertainly not.
Quote from you: " move ALL zoning restrictions that prevent new houses from being built. Allow ADU's, granny flats, etc. in every locale nationwide.
- Get rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
- Simplify the building permitting process to a single form.
- Place a progressive property tax on any individual or corporation that owns more than (let's say) 2 single-family or multi-family occupancy homes. The progressive property tax will increase EXPONENTIALLY with the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. single family home, duplex, or apartment building.
- Make property tax based on square footage of land NOT on condition of building
- Rescind all commercial property depreciation tax breaks
- TRIPLE property tax values for any property that is unoccupied for more than 6 months out of the year.
MORTAL, YIELD TO THE MIGHT OF SPRUCE! MWUHHAHAHAHAHA!"
Yield to your might, indeed. Alas, it will happen with the 2028 elections. Then, everyone will all end up in the same place at the end of the day. What if I have to sit by Shav. I will grow a hair bun to fit in.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI'd be fine. But government doesn't exist to protect your net worth. Government exists to protect all our rights equally.
Had you done this, I would not be worth what I am now.
I claim that one of those rights is to have someplace you call home. As George Carlin would put it, 'A place for my stuff.'
How do we make that happen? Oh, there are lots of ways. We can be very creative.
But you misunderstand the purpose of government - that's a key issue.
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@spruce112358 saidYou have a right to acquire a home, but a home is not a right.
I'd be fine. But government doesn't exist to protect your net worth. Government exists to protect all our rights equally.
I claim that one of those rights is to have someplace you call home. As George Carlin would put it, 'A place for my stuff.'
How do we make that happen? Oh, there are lots of ways. We can be very creative.
But you misunderstand the purpose of government - that's a key issue.
A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. The grand daddy of all rights is the right to live, this does not mean others must provide you the means to live.
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@wildgrass saidI think we're at the root of your problem, it is the slimey slug world of moral relativism, and because you wallow in it you need to convince yourself others live there with you.
Dude. I responded to your question why do you keep asking? How do I turn off notifications when wajoma replies over and over to issues addressed pages earlier?
Yes if youre responding to someone complaining about lying politicians with "well, actually everyone knows they're liars" and then "I'll bet he's not the biggest liar ever" then you're absolutely justifying the politicians actions.
I do not.
Lets play with your latest analogy. Instead of politicians let's substitute mass murderers, see how it stands.
Mass murderers, "well actually (wildgrass tries to bolster her post with the word 'actually' ;^ ) everyone knows they're murderers" and then "I'll bet he's not the biggest murderer ever." Then wildgrass has justified mass murderer actions.
Oh dear, and all because wildgrass couldn't admit she'd made a mistake.
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@spruce112358 saidI DO understand where you fellers think that you are going to get all this support (a nice word) that you are all banking on for your sustenance. From other people. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I'd be fine. But government doesn't exist to protect your net worth. Government exists to protect all our rights equally.
I claim that one of those rights is to have someplace you call home. As George Carlin would put it, 'A place for my stuff.'
How do we make that happen? Oh, there are lots of ways. We can be very creative.
But you misunderstand the purpose of government - that's a key issue.
Dependence. A normal person would have to hold their nose when they have to teach dependence to their children in the new world of you and Shav.
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@Wajoma saidNo it was your analogy sir. Analogize all day. Mention an earthquake, and then say "but bigger earthquakes happened earlier" you are justifying, minimizing, rationalizing. It's fine, not bad. You can't quit.the argument, maybe a bruised ego.
I think we're at the root of your problem, it is the slimey slug world of moral relativism, and because you wallow in it you need to convince yourself others live there with you.
I do not.
Lets play with your latest analogy. Instead of politicians let's substitute mass murderers, see how it stands.
Mass murderers, "well actually (wildgrass tries to bolster her post w ...[text shortened]... ed mass murderer actions.
Oh dear, and all because wildgrass couldn't admit she'd made a mistake.
The analogy isn't necessary. I complained about a dock. You felt the need to intervene, and justified the sick, exorbitant cost because the military is always more expensive (everyone knows) and other docks probably cost more.
Ok I won't tell any of your libertarian friends. Seems you might still need a primer on libertarian views of justice.
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@spruce112358 saidYou silly goose, you left out hard work and taking risks. Wealthy people (with exception of those inheriting wealth ,,,,start a thread on it..) generally took risk to create their ever-growing assets, and, it made them rich. They worked, they filled a need, whatever.
Yes. Me too. The blessings were that:
a) our wages kept up with inflation
b) some of us inherited wealth, of which the first $11M was untaxed
c) we could deduct mortgage interest from our taxes
d) mortgage interest rates were 3-4%
e) hedge funds weren't buying up houses to flip them
f) housing supply was expanding to meet demand
e) Is particularly conce ...[text shortened]... were SO lucky." So you see, AvJoe? You were "blessed" (or lucky). You should count those blessings.
I'm curious....why did you leave out that part, where people made themselves rich? Why did you leave that out? Why? You trying to throw Suzianne et al off track?
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@AverageJoe1 saidWell, let's see. I was listing 'blessings', which in the old days were defined as 'God's favor and protection.' In other words, stuff we don't control ourselves.
you left out hard work and taking risks....why did you leave out that part
We do not usually list things like 'going to work' and 'saving money' as blessings because we have control over those ourselves. 'The Lord helps those that helps themselves,' right?
All clear now, AvJoe? Good.
@spruce112358 saidYou get even sillier.....you write a list of things CONTROLLED and created by our society, I guess blessings bestowed by our government and our parents and everything in between, and then..........and THEN...........
Well, let's see. I was listing 'blessings', which in the old days were defined as 'God's favor and protection.' In other words, stuff we don't control ourselves.
We do not usually list things like 'going to work' and 'saving money' as blessings because we have control over those ourselves. 'The Lord helps those that helps themselves,' right?
All clear now, AvJoe? Good.
.....You say that the things in the list we do not control ourselves?? Of course we do...through our government (people representing us) and through our parents.
It is a blessing for me to have been able to buy houses and flip them. As a marxist, you find that offensive. I consider it a blessing that I had the wherewithall to do that. The 'god's favor and protection' can be a bit misconstrued in all of this, especially since it renders your entire post ineffectual to someone like Shav....for whom there is no god! Is god or Biden responsble for inflation at 19%. Is that a blessing?
And note that you demean flipping houses. Start a thread on that being a horrible practice, when it is the core of capitalism. Please.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThere are cases where house-flipping is OK - taking a house no one wants and sprucing 🙂 it up so that someone can live there. That actually increases supply.
You get even sillier.....you write a list of things CONTROLLED and created by our society, I guess blessings bestowed by our government and our parents and everything in between, and then..........and THEN...........
.....You say that the things in the list we do not control ourselves?? Of course we do...through our government (people representing us) and through our p ...[text shortened]... houses. Start a thread on that being a horrible practice, when it is the core of capitalism. Please.
The issue is hedge funds buying up LOTS of perfectly liveable properties, doing nothing to them but sitting on them for a year, and then selling them. That is done simply to reduce supply and drive up prices.
Which one is you, Joe?
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@spruce112358
I'll go further. Nobody has a problem with AvJoe buying up a lot of silver and holding if off the market (a la Bunker Hunt). You could buy up a bunch of Apple stock and hold that off the market. Or bonds. Or Bitcoin. Or Fords.
Have at it.
The issue I have is with you buying up HOMES and holding them off the market. People need homes to live in. There isn't an alternative to having a home a decent distance from where you work.
And if government is going to restrict home supply with regulations and AvJoe is going to buy up rest of that supply and sit on it? Then yes, I have a problem with that. That infringes on people basic right to live somewhere.
So AvJoe, go buy silver bars. Or Fords. We will make due with gold and Chevys.
@spruce112358 saidI could easily extrapolate about a man who owns 100s of thousands of acres in the west... that'd be Ted Turner, or the guy in the Yellowstone series. Or the King Ranch, which is 825,000 acres. If you want the government to tell me (Dictate) what i can or cannot do with houses, then would that lead to Spruce and the government telling us, in effect.......in Fact,, Spruce,,,,,how much money we will be allowed to make??. How much land someone can own, and the maximum money that they are allowed to make?. KING Ranch controls a LOT of the cattle market, you gonna restrict their cows? Then you can restrict my houses. You want the govt to dictate, Spruce. To hell with free enterprise.
@spruce112358
I'll go further. Nobody has a problem with AvJoe buying up a lot of silver and holding if off the market (a la Bunker Hunt). You could buy up a bunch of Apple stock and hold that off the market. Or bonds. Or Bitcoin. Or Fords.
Have at it.
The issue I have is with you buying up HOMES and holding them off the market. People need homes to live in. The ...[text shortened]... to live somewhere.
So AvJoe, go buy silver bars. Or Fords. We will make due with gold and Chevys.
So that is my answer. Select any market (stocks, real estate, finance) that you would like, and tell us how to run it. No, thankyou. The USA is a free market country. You come from Marxist philosophy.
What is all this 'change' that is all of a sudden so necessary? You marxists actually think you can manipulate the supply and demand, all the while making it easy to buy a house, only to bankrupt down the road. Who do you think will be waiting at the end of the road, to pick up that house for a flip? Who else will but me? The bank won't want it. Thank god for flippers to keep things 'a bubbling.
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@AverageJoe1
Now I will go further.
Are you saying there is some duty to people who are starting out in the world, to provide them housing?
Duty from whom?
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@AverageJoe1 saidGolly spruce's proposal was to reduce government regulation, streamline the process, and remove crony tax policy that only benefits select few. The dudes who have 100,000 acres are the extreme outliers but it seems like tax burden and bureaucratic burden go down overall, while giving more opportunity to build low income housing in new areas.
I could easily extrapolate about a man who owns 100s of thousands of acres in the west... that'd be Ted Turner, or the guy in the Yellowstone series. Or the King Ranch, which is 825,000 acres. If you want the government to tell me (Dictate) what i can or cannot do with houses, then would that lead to Spruce and the government telling us, in effect.......in Fact,, Spruce ...[text shortened]... p? Who else will but me? The bank won't want it. Thank god for flippers to keep things 'a bubbling.
You're against it because you're worried about Ted Turner's bottom line?
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@wildgrass saidI Worry about his Freedom. I would suggest that you always capitalize the word freedom, but then, you never have every used that word …..none of you have.
Golly spruce's proposal was to reduce government regulation, streamline the process, and remove crony tax policy that only benefits select few. The dudes who have 100,000 acres are the extreme outliers but it seems like tax burden and bureaucratic burden go down overall, while giving more opportunity to build low income housing in new areas.
You're against it because you're worried about Ted Turner's bottom line?
Reduce regulations? But but, since that is impossible under a liberal Democratic government, why does he say that?. And why does he not vote for Trump, who’s exact campaign is to reduce regulations?
What genius will be the architect of reducing benefits to a select few. Who will decide who the select few are? I would say Ted Turner is a select.few. If I am a select, few, and y’all come through my door to increase my taxes, and reduce my benefits, my first question will be ‘what have I done wrong to receive this treatment?’ Can you give me an example of what I might do wrong if I have amassed a fortune in Nvidia stock? After all, you just said that you would increase my tax burden.
You boys are simply saying in fancy terms… To Those in need of money, from those who have money.’
Do you really think that is a solution to the USA problems? Do you?