@eintaluj saidYour little personal campaign is extremely biased, twisted, and childish. Recently you tried to pull a fast one claiming that there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians. We are still waiting for proof of that. Hamas has declared war on Israel and promised genocide to the Jews in its charter. Here is a comment on that from:
Since there is obviously no hope that the politically biased international chess organisations will impose such restrictions on Israel, I will make a proposal to all individual chess players - a proposal that I myself will follow:
- Refuse to play chess with anyone who plays under the Israeli flag.
- Refuse to play chess with anyone who is an Israeli citizen an ...[text shortened]... play chess with anyone who publicly supports or justifies Israeli war crimes in the Gaza Strip.
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/press-release/[WORD TOO LONG]/
Following the horrific assault, Hamas – leadership and rank-and-file alike – celebrated. Moreover, much of the evidence of these atrocities was filmed by Hamas.
And Hamas undoubtedly carried out these atrocity crimes with the requisite intent. Indeed, “Hamas is an organization devoted to ending Jewish history” and its founding documents are “a frank and open call for genocide.” The 1988 Hamas Covenant calls for “the Jews . . . . [to be] vanquished,” and proclaims that the “struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious,” that “[t]he Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews),” that “Moslems . . . [should] come and kill the Jew,” and that “Israel will exist . . . until Islam will obliterate it.” The 2017 Hamas Document of General Principles & Policies also confirms that Hamas’ “conflict is with the Zionist project,” that “the Zionist movement must disappear from Palestine,” and that “[r]esisting . . . with all means and methods is a legitimate right . . . [especially] armed resistance.”
The Oct 7th attack was meticulously planned out and designed to start the process of genocide against the Jews and included [from the same website]
Murdering civilians in their cars, including women, children, and entire families;
Assaulting kibbutzim, killing residents and burning homes;
Holding captive and massacring families in their homes;
Executing civilians forced from shelter by fire, grenades, or otherwise;
Forcing hostages to lure other civilians out of their homes;
Executing babies and children, including in their beds and carseats;
Murdering the elderly, and posting the evidence on the social media of those killed;
Slaughtering more than 250 civilians attending a music festival, at point-blank range, and as they tried to escape;
Capturing, holding hostage, and raping women;
Kidnapping children;
Parading and spitting on deceased victims in the streets;
Mutilating bodies of civilians and soldiers;
Burning men, women, and children alive;
Stripping hostages and holding them at gunpoint;
And numerous other atrocities.
Personally, I will be playing chess with anyone. If Hitler and PolPot want to play chess, Im playing. This little campaign you are on is going to make you look pretty stupid... just like your Spanish minster thread you started.
@eintaluj saidHere is where it gets tricky, listening to the protesters for the Palestinians' side of the conflict against Israel everywhere worldwide when they are interviewed, many agree with the Hamas' actions as justified and support them, thus there is no distinction between the those Palestinians and Hamas. That is justifying going into people's homes and doing barbaric things in the name of freeing the land from the Jews, there is no moral equivalence here.
I do not understand what you are talking about.
What "upset"?
What "one side", and what "dispute"? There is no dispute as the information about what is happening in the Gaza Strip is largely blocked and censored.
Your answer very clearly ignores the content of my initial post. It ignores the numbers, too.
You have attributed to me such arguments that I have not prese ...[text shortened]... n chessplayers from Hamas, as the police are dealing with them anyway. I told it in my initial post.
You are also making a bogus claim about news blackout, since everyone can send their news to favorable news agencies that support them without concerns about the news being fair and accurate having to give all sides of any piece of the events in question. You want to ban everyone from playing chess who has some interest in killing another, Iranians, Palestinians, Israelis, Russians, Ukrainians, and so on? Does your chess ban only happen if a state sponsors it, so proxy groups like Hamas and others like it can free up a state to play chess if they kill those they dislike by renting out or growing their own terrorist?
05 Nov 23
The following paragraph was added after the publication of the first version of the Public Appeal:
“However, at a non-individual, organisational, official level, the third point above, which calls for public condemnation of Israel’s actions, should be avoided. Notably, the Israeli police have threatened to severely punish anyone who criticises Israel’s current military action in the Gaza Strip. It is unreasonable to formally demand that a sports person should make such a statement, which would result in him being punished by the authorities in his own country.”
05 Nov 23
@divegeester saidMy "Public Appeal" is both in Estonian and English languages in various places publicly visible. For example, on the Medium:
Where?
https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca
I have also sent the Estonian version to Estonian chess organizations by email.
So far, no one of the officials has even confirmed that one has received the email.
I am prepared to send the English version by email to international chess organizations later.
At the present moment, I am waiting for the reactions and searching for useful critical remarks.
Some very helpful critical notes have been made here, on RHP Debates.
Interestingly, on other chess platforms, as yet, no one has responded to my post.
In Estonia, one supporter of Israel sent me a public email, accusing me of supporting the terrorist organization Hamas. At the same time, he publicly justified the collective punishment that is prohibited by international law.
05 Nov 23
@divegeester saidEstonian chess officials have not yet responded to the email I sent yesterday.
Did you get and response?
05 Nov 23
@rajk999 said@rajk999 writes:
Your little personal campaign is extremely biased, twisted, and childish. Recently you tried to pull a fast one claiming that there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians. We are still waiting for proof of that. Hamas has declared war on Israel and promised genocide to the Jews in its charter. Here is a comment on that from:
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pres ...[text shortened]... are on is going to make you look pretty stupid... just like your Spanish minster thread you started.
"Your little personal campaign is extremely biased, twisted, and childish. Recently you tried to pull a fast one claiming that there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians."
- It is a lime, and @rajk999 has slandered so repeatedly. I declare again: I have not claimed that "there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians".
Note that @rajk999 does not quote me and does not give a link to the relevant post!
However, what I did insist in my Public Appeal was the following:
Such chessplayers like @rajk999, who publicly justify Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity and who present false accusations to the critics of these war crimes, should be banned from international chess tournaments, they should be banned from chess platforms as well.
And I insist that if international chess organisations fail to do so, then individual chess players should refuse to play chess with such persons.
I will not even read the remaining part of @rajk999 uncivilised post.
05 Nov 23
@kellyjay said@kellyjay:
Here is where it gets tricky, listening to the protesters for the Palestinians' side of the conflict against Israel everywhere worldwide when they are interviewed, many agree with the Hamas' actions as justified and support them, thus there is no distinction between the those Palestinians and Hamas. That is justifying going into people's homes and doing barbaric things in t ...[text shortened]... a state to play chess if they kill those they dislike by renting out or growing their own terrorist?
"Here is where it gets tricky, listening to the protesters for the Palestinians' side of the conflict against Israel everywhere worldwide when they are interviewed, many agree with the Hamas' actions as justified and support them, thus there is no distinction between the those Palestinians and Hamas."
I am unable to read this nonsense till the end. @kellyjay has not even read my Public Appeal.
My Public Appeal concerns Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity. Nothing in this Appeal is supporting or not supporting Palestinians in any other sense.
05 Nov 23
@eintaluj saidYour statement earlier implying that the IDF killed its own people.
@rajk999 writes:
"Your little personal campaign is extremely biased, twisted, and childish. Recently you tried to pull a fast one claiming that there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians."
- It is a lime, and @rajk999 has slandered so repeatedly. I declare again: I have not claimed that "there was no Oct7th attack on the Jewish civilians".
Note ...[text shortened]... hess with such persons.[/i]
I will not even read the remaining part of @rajk999 uncivilised post.
Fourth, there is clear and solid evidence that Israel is massively killing civilians in the Gaza Strip, but it is still controversial whether, on 07 October, all these civilians were really killed by Hamas. There have been some Jewish witnesses who have publicly claimed that Israel's Defence Forces killed the civilians.
Thread : Spanish Minister Calls for Diplomatic Relations with Israel to be Severed. Page 3
I asked you more than once for support for that but you ignored it. So we can conclude that you are deceitful.
Your blatant bias is open for everyone to see. You casually mentioned in several posts that Hamas killed some soldiers and civilians on Oct 7th, but you go on at length and in great detail about the bombing of Gaza and killing of civilians.
05 Nov 23
@eintaluj saidApparently you cannot read anyones 'nonsense', but you want people to read yours. Why dont you go pay for a subscription and become a member. You are a good reason why non-members should not be allowed to post on the forums. You are abusing the privilege.
@kellyjay:
"Here is where it gets tricky, listening to the protesters for the Palestinians' side of the conflict against Israel everywhere worldwide when they are interviewed, many agree with the Hamas' actions as justified and support them, thus there is no distinction between the those Palestinians and Hamas."
I am unable to read this nonsense till the end. @k ...[text shortened]... st humanity. Nothing in this Appeal is supporting or not supporting Palestinians in any other sense.
05 Nov 23
@eintaluj saidYeah, let us go after Isreal's war crimes right after they are attacked in ways not even Nazis did things. Supporting those who do those by simply concerning yourself with only Israel is exactly what I have been talking about, aid and comfort to terrorists.
@kellyjay:
"Here is where it gets tricky, listening to the protesters for the Palestinians' side of the conflict against Israel everywhere worldwide when they are interviewed, many agree with the Hamas' actions as justified and support them, thus there is no distinction between the those Palestinians and Hamas."
I am unable to read this nonsense till the end. @k ...[text shortened]... st humanity. Nothing in this Appeal is supporting or not supporting Palestinians in any other sense.
05 Nov 23
@rajk999 saidYou are either malicious, or you need some psychiatric treatment or both.
Your statement earlier implying that the IDF killed its own people.
[i]Fourth, there is clear and solid evidence that Israel is massively killing civilians in the Gaza Strip, but it is still controversial whether, on 07 October, all these civilians were really killed by Hamas. There have been some Jewish witnesses who have publicly claimed that Israel's Defence Forces killed ...[text shortened]... 7th, but you go on at length and in great detail about the bombing of Gaza and killing of civilians.
I will not take back my quoted sentence
"... there is clear and solid evidence that Israel is massively killing civilians in the Gaza Strip, but it is still controversial whether, on 07 October, all these civilians were really killed by Hamas. There have been some Jewish witnesses who have publicly claimed that Israel's Defence Forces killed the civilians."
And from the quotation above it in no way follows that I am denying that Hamas committed a terrorist act on 07 October 2023.
It seems that you have some serious problems with elementary logic and elementary math.
05 Nov 23
@kellyjay saidThere is something wrong with your elementary logic and elementary math. You also do not know and do not want to know the relevant passages of international law. And, for sure, nothing in your arguments addresses my Public Appeal or the arguments presented there.
Yeah, let us go after Isreal's war crimes right after they are attacked in ways not even Nazis did things. Supporting those who do those by simply concerning yourself with only Israel is exactly what I have been talking about, aid and comfort to terrorists.