03 Jun 22
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@AverageJoe1
If common sense changes go in and it saves a life it is worth it, but you know full well it would save MANY more lives since just making the age 21 will make teenagers who want to kill have to wait 3 years and in that time they will have grown up some and most likely will be over the idea of killing kids.
The point about assault weapons is this: A dude with a 22 single shot can kill one person but if cops are on the ball and get there in a couple of minutes he cannot just keep shooting at people without reloading so it is the time factor, to get him before he continues his killing spree.
If a dude with an AR15 goes into a crowded mall, he can kill DOZENS before anyone knows even what is going on. THAT is the difference.
That should be OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain.
03 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidConstitution needs updating. Brrrrrrr. You know, Biden thinks that. I consider that to warrant his impeachment. Silly me.
As has been pointed out, you completely misrepresent what the second amendement actually states.
Besides this, there’s the fact it was written 300 years ago and needs updating.
Besides this, as has been pointed out multiple times as well, every argument you pro-gun people make is completely debunked by looking at the rest of the world.
For example: trans rights leads ...[text shortened]... sock, some gun oil and AK-47 propped up against a wall as you sweat and moan your way through life.
03 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidYes. Indeed. Silly you.
Constitution needs updating. Brrrrrrr. You know, Biden thinks that. I consider that to warrant his impeachment. Silly me.
A base set of rules needs frequent tweaking.
@sonhouse saidI'm on board. Get rid of all guns except hunting rifles and shotguns, and of course police weapons and military. You are right, Sonhouse, a no brainer. We should Go for it. Then, get Biden to do his F'n job, get off the beach, and roll up his sleeves, kick the parasites and losers down the road, open the oil gates, which stops inflation, and close the borders, which will stop the flow of drugs and more losers and parasites.
@AverageJoe1
If common sense changes go in and it saves a life it is worth it, but you know full well it would save MANY more lives since just making the age 21 will make teenagers who want to kill have to wait 3 years and in that time they will have grown up some and most likely will be over the idea of killing kids.
The point about assault weapons is this: A dude with ...[text shortened]... even what is going on. THAT is the difference.
That should be OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain.
That should be OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain. I agreed with you above, Do you agree with my points here?
03 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidNo again.
Good one. Something to chew on. But as a gun and a hammer are weapons, it still leads to the real problem,,,,the person. Maybe people are crazier here the way things seem to be going south,. Are we also the most prolific with murders, I do not know.
A gun is a weapon.
A hammer is a tool.
Yes, you can use a hammer as a weapon, but except for medievil warhammers, that’s not their purpose.
A gun is specifically made for killing things.
It’s a whopping great difference.
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@sonhouse saidStop. STOP putting words and thoughts that aren't there into people's posts when you attack them.
@Liljo
As it turns out, ALL the school shooters were 18 or so and law abiding citizens so what now? Also, when the country was founded, the only thing we could shoot was flintlocks, taking a minute or so to reload, not easy to do a mass shooting back then was it.
In ancient times, they had bow and arrow, axes, spears, knives, bolos and the like, the only way for mass mu ...[text shortened]... waiting period would have maybe had him think, maybe this wasn't such a good idea to off my doctor.
I'm all for sensible laws to control high-capacity assault rifles. Just like it takes more training to drive an 18-wheeler than a Prius. I'm all for heavily vetting people before selling them those types of weapons. INCLUDING a really good check of their online postings.
The guy in Texas: They recently found a video of him carrying around a bag of cats he had killed, just for kicks. He was already KNOWN to be cruel to animals. He posted disturbing things online. Nobody checked those things before selling him over $10,000 worth of weapons and ammo. Nobody.
And, again and again and again, I ask, WHERE DID HE GET ALL THE MONEY FOR SUCH THINGS?
Yes, I say arm the population. Get highly trained ex-Marines and other military guys and give them the job of protecting our schools. Absolutely heavily check these people nine ways to Sunday, then have them protect every single school and place with even moderate sized public gatherings.
Critics will say, "What if one of THEM goes crazy? Huh, what do you do then?"
You die. Will y'all never stop whining? Do we really have to just protect against every single possibility? Eliminate absolutely all risk to this thing called life? Then, if we can identify any risk whatsoever, start yelling at anyone who'll listen that "I'm right and you're stupid."
You know, I don't need the frustration of this thread, this forum, at all. I pay for a subscription to RHP to support chess, and I think sometimes if RHP supports all the bickering and bitching and whining and accusatory comments, maybe I should just quit altogether.
Screw this.
03 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidSo, your main element is that it has to be MADE for the purpose of killing. And a gun is a weapon? Uh, not when it is shooting rabbits. So, MY gun is (presently) not a weapon. Confusing, I know. And people HAVE been killed by hammers, which in fact were weaponized. When something is weaponized, it becomes a weapon. You messin' with semantics, are 'ya, Shav? Don't we have enough to worry about? How is your border holding up. You are a lucky, whatever it is,,,,ours is like Swiss cheese.
No again.
A gun is a weapon.
A hammer is a tool.
Yes, you can use a hammer as a weapon, but except for medievil warhammers, that’s not their purpose.
A gun is specifically made for killing things.
It’s a whopping great difference.
03 Jun 22
@liljo saidIt really is tiresome, you are right, like when someone says 'what if one of the guards is a bad guy and kills you?" I posted last month, should my neighbor think I should pay for the abortion of his daughter, as an analogy for my taxes being used for that purpose. One of these libs wrote back, instead of answering the question........"What if your son had impregnated the daughter!" Blithering pitiful non-debater. So you are equally frustrated here. I think I will go to the park and get a loser to show me how to throw frisbee, and play in the sun today.
Stop. STOP putting words and thoughts that aren't there into people's posts when you attack them.
I'm all for sensible laws to control high-capacity assault rifles. Just like it takes more training to drive an 18-wheeler than a Prius. I'm all for heavily vetting people before selling them those types of weapons. INCLUDING a really good check of their online postings.
Th ...[text shortened]... d bitching and whining and accusatory comments, maybe I should just quit altogether.
Screw this.
03 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidNot really anything can be a weapon of choice, you could turn a tool into one, or a beer bottle it’s what is used to murder with. A gun can be owned and passed down through generations and never be used to kill with.
No again.
A gun is a weapon.
A hammer is a tool.
Yes, you can use a hammer as a weapon, but except for medievil warhammers, that’s not their purpose.
A gun is specifically made for killing things.
It’s a whopping great difference.
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03 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidI cannot imagine being such a pathetic excuse for a human being that my self-worth would be wrapped up in owning a gun.
I cannot imagine not having a gun.
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@liljo saidOh, this myth again.
...I get what you're saying, I really do, but it might be a good start to check posting on social media for signs. There is no way to protect against everything. If someone who has never displayed any signs, no crimes, just a "regular Joe that goes rogue", there is simply no defense. It's just part of the cost of living in a free-to-move-about country.
I'm free to move about in my country. Not a day in my life have I worried about Rogue Joes with Guns, and not a day in my life have I needed to carry one myself. If you feel the need to own a gun to feel safe, your country is not free, it's sick. Deeply, deeply, neo-conservatively, Republicanly sick.
03 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidNo. Wrong again.
So, your main element is that it has to be MADE for the purpose of killing. And a gun is a weapon? Uh, not when it is shooting rabbits. So, MY gun is (presently) not a weapon. Confusing, I know. And people HAVE been killed by hammers, which in fact were weaponized. When something is weaponized, it becomes a weapon. You messin' with semantics, are 'ya, Shav? Don't ...[text shortened]... bout? How is your border holding up. You are a lucky, whatever it is,,,,ours is like Swiss cheese.
The main element is that every argument you cough up is proven BS by facts from other countries.
In France you can buy hammers. Nobody is going around hammering school kids to death.
Guns.
03 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidWait...do you mean literal hammers? I thought you were using the slang term for gun, since some kinds of handguns have a hammer that gets pulled back prior to shooting.
No. Wrong again.
The main element is that every argument you cough up is proven BS by facts from other countries.
In France you can buy hammers. Nobody is going around hammering school kids to death.
Guns.
03 Jun 22
@Liljo
First thing they should do is raise the age of ownership to 21. ALL the school shooters were teenagers, 18 yo's can buy assault rifles and their weapon of choice is the AR 15, making those teenagers the best equiped HS killers on the planet.
BTW, the biggest cause of child death is guns. Nice way for a kid to grow up, eh.
03 Jun 22
@AverageJoe1
Sure, with those DINO's Manchin and his gf tanking anything resembling real progress on any number of really needed bills like gun control, inflation fights and the war in Ukraine you know good and well moscow mitch is stopping ANYTHING getting through congress especially because Manchin is really a repub in disguise, there is NOTHING Biden or anyone else can do about that, we have traitors in our midst. Manchin quivers at even the THOUGHT of ending that stupid filibuster or gun control, he has personally donated to republicans running for office. He is as transparent as hell, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if he jumps the fence and just announces he is now a republican which he already is in name only.
So try blaming THAT on Biden.