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10 Sep 21
10 Sep 21
@zahlanzi saidHey Zahlanzi, let us read your hair splitting, blah blah....
Just in case there a few who don't read anything past what the joe is posting, what Biden actually proposed for this "vaccine mandate" is "be vaccinated OR do a covid test each week to show you're negative".
Oh you don't want to get a vaccine but you also don't want to show you aren't a danger to everyone else? Then have a coke and a smile and shut the fuk up, as Richard ...[text shortened]... freedom. You selfish fukheads want to have the maximum of freedom at the expense of everyone else's.
But the FACT REMAINS, that if Joe mandates this, he is saying that he will give them a choice to instead have a covid test each week. I could defeat that alone, by pointing out that if a guy passes a covid test on Monday, he could have covid on Friday at the firm picnic. Jesus.
But here is what capitalist AJoe actually thinks about. The person, if they don't want to do a 'mandated' (wow) covid test, they could lose their job. Why did you leave that out? Don't worry, I'm putting it out there. Whew. You may have not thought about that, right?
@AverageJoe1
If they don't take the shot they SHOULD be fired. Companies have already learned THAT lesson.
But of course you want FREEDOM.
Freedom to DIE.
Freedom to kill OTHERS because you are spreading C19.
Yep, we need to maximize 'Freedom' and the HELL with consequences.
How come you are ok with seatbelts? That was a law made by the feds.
Did you get up in arms at THAT?
So a company gets sued for dumping toxic waste in our rivers and lakes.
Or company execs getting arrested by Feds.
I guess we should be happy those companies dump toxic waste eh?
How DARE the feds sticking their nose into STATE business?
11 Sep 21
@mghrn55 saidOh, he’s always been the same, quite robotic, no heart, no brain, maybe a bit of courage. Gotta be brave to reek what he has done, with no remorse. Easy for him, as he really knows not what he is doing.
@AverageJoe1
At least they're not calling him Sleepy Joe any more. 😆
12 Sep 21
@Metal-Brain
Hey screw you and the hearse you rode in on.
You think you are SO smart you can avoid Covid completely because you are SUPERHUMAN.
Well you can catch it and you can spread it so go out there and do your civic duty to make sure as many people have covid as possible, that way we all get to herd immunity even if it cost us a million lives.
12 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidI already had covid and I told you that.
@Metal-Brain
Hey screw you and the hearse you rode in on.
You think you are SO smart you can avoid Covid completely because you are SUPERHUMAN.
Well you can catch it and you can spread it so go out there and do your civic duty to make sure as many people have covid as possible, that way we all get to herd immunity even if it cost us a million lives.
Since I recovered from it does that make me superhuman?
I have natural immunity. You don't.
@metal-brain saidLMAO! It says right on your video:
Here is some good legal advice for those that don't want take the gene vaccines and your employer or school is mandating it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lhYEve4rpie2/
"Video and documents are opinion, not legal advice."
So it isn't "good legal advice"; it's a non-lawyer crank who also espouses the "income tax is voluntary" argument which has gotten its users prison time. https://www.freedomtaker.com/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/facebook-posts/paying-taxes-not-voluntary/
@averagejoe1 saidThe Constitution gives the power to regulate interstate commerce to Congress.
REFRESH BUTTON:: Biden Authoritarianism Has Arrived.
Congress passed a law creating OSHA which gives that agency the authority to make regulations protecting the safety of workers engaged in or affecting interstate commerce.
OSHA, a part of the Executive Branch, has been instructed by the head of that Branch to make regulations protecting workers engaged in or affecting interstate commerce from the threat of a deadly pandemic.
Far from "authoritarianism" the system seems to be working as the Framers and then Congress intended.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidHe advises using those forms as leverage. He never claimed they would produce results and of course he is going to put up a disclaimer like that. Everybody protects themselves when making videos. It is as common as dirt.
LMAO! It says right on your video:
"Video and documents are opinion, not legal advice."
So it isn't "good legal advice"; it's a non-lawyer crank who also espouses the "income tax is voluntary" argument which has gotten its users prison time. https://www.freedomtaker.com/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/facebook-posts/paying-taxes-not-voluntary/
You are clueless. You still cannot accept vaccinated people spread the virus even though the CDC admitted it. Income tax is voluntary as stated. That doesn't mean government honors the law as written though. Government doesn't respect the law.
Daniel Hail, a whistleblower who is now in prison, leaked information about the US drone programme and showed that under Obama during a five month period 90% of all the people killed by US drones were not even the intended targets they were civilians.
This was covered up and kept hidden in order to avoid embarrassing the United States and exposing Washington's criminal behaviour.
Daniel Hail did nothing wrong. He didn't violate the law and he was put in prison anyway. Our government has no respect for the law.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder said"To make regulations protecting workers". A bit broad, don't you think, Marauder. So, OSHA hs carte blanche, with no oversight, to walk right in there in their jackboots and just 'protect' willy nilly as they see fit, beginning with telling people what to do with their bodies. LMAO. You know, Sonhouse is going to come after you, because this means that Biden should Not be telling the TX women, for example, that they cannot control their own bodies.
The Constitution gives the power to regulate interstate commerce to Congress.
Congress passed a law creating OSHA which gives that agency the authority to make regulations protecting the safety of workers engaged in or affecting interstate commerce.
OSHA, a part of the Executive Branch, has been instructed by the head of that Branch to make regulations protecting wo ...[text shortened]... ar from "authoritarianism" the system seems to be working as the Framers and then Congress intended.
So you NOW see how conflicted you liberal people are?
@averagejoe1 saidThe vaccine mandate for businesses with 100 or more employees is to either be vaccinated OR be tested twice a week. NO ONE IS BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT THE VACCINE. The test is non invasive. If positive, the employee would not be able to return to work for a specified number of days so they do not infect and potentially kill others.
In April he said vaccination should not be mandatory. . He did the same thing saying he would NOT support eviction legislation. He is an Authoritarian, which you fellers call Trump all the time. "Any business (over 100 employees) will be mandated to require vax of all employees". Wow! He is a tyrant, guys, He said I will "Use my power as President", even though he ...[text shortened]... will take Sonhouse to TX and just dictate that abortions will be allowed Willy Nilly.
Tyrant?
How can you possibly believe that the heads of state across the globe who universally believe Covid 19 is so deadly they are scrambling to vaccinate their citizens and even willing to shut down their economies in order to contain the virus are being hoodwinked by respected scientists and health care professionals?
Here is a piece by Forbes, a respected business periodical, detailing Biden's vaccine mandate for businesses.
Biden Orders Vaccine-Or-Test Mandate For Businesses With 100 Or More Workers
Andrew Solender
Andrew SolenderForbes Staff
Business
I cover Congress and the Biden Administration.
Updated Sep 9, 2021, 06:03pm EDT
President Joe Biden said Thursday the Department of Labor will require companies with 100 or more workers to implement vaccine-or-test mandates, part of a series of sweeping new measures aimed at boosting coronavirus vaccination rates.
The emergency order from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration will impact 80 million workers and require unvaccinated workers to be tested at least once a week.
Businesses that don’t comply with the order could face “substantial fines” up to nearly $14,000 per violation, an official told Forbes.
The official also dismissed concerns that the rule will result in litigation, telling reporters Labor Secretary Marty Walsh has “a right to do this,” and said the rulemaking will be “done in a couple weeks” and implemented shortly thereafter.
OSHA will also develop a rule to require businesses with over 100 workers to provide paid time off to get vaccinated and recover from any side effects, according to a White House fact sheet reviewed by Forbes.
The administration will also stop giving federal workers the option to submit to regular coronavirus testing instead of getting vaccinated, with White House press secretary Jen Psaki telling reporters unvaccinated workers will have about 75 days to get their shot.
Psaki said federal workers who refuse to get vaccinated after 75 days will go through the “standard HR process, which includes counseling,” and will face “progressive disciplinary action.”
Biden will sign an additional executive order extending that vaccine mandate to contractors that do business with the federal government.
Biden is also expanding a directive withholding federal funds from nursing homes that don’t mandate coronavirus vaccinations for staff to “most healthcare settings” that participate in Medicare and Medicaid, covering 17 million health care workers.
Biden’s sweeping new coronavirus and economic recovery plan also includes increasing the number of federal personnel deployed to hospitals to treat coronavirus patients, accelerating the distribution of monoclonal antibodies and coronavirus tests, doubling fines for violating the government’s mass transit mask mandate, expanding loans and loan forgiveness to small businesses and pushing for vaccine mandates and regular testing in schools.
Big Number
652,480. That’s the number of coronavirus deaths the U.S. has faced throughout the pandemic, with 1,647 deaths reported on Wednesday, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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“A forced vaccine should never be a condition for employment & this is nothing short of tyranny,” Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) tweeted of the mandate for federal workers, with Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) adding, “People will remember those who did this to them & who did not speak out.”
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12 Sep 21
@phranny saidSimply put, The greatest threat is not people catching coronavirus. The greatest threat to this country is tyranny. Like I said, that is the simplest way I can put it.
The vaccine mandate for businesses with 100 or more employees is to either be vaccinated OR be tested twice a week. NO ONE IS BEING FORCED TO ACCEPT THE VACCINE. The test is non invasive. If positive, the employee would not be able to return to work for a specified number of days so they do not infect and potentially kill others.
How can you possibly believe that the heads o ...[text shortened]... . I have previously worked for MSNBC and attended Vassar College and the London School of Economics.
What would marauder at Al rather have….. everybody get a shot, or, would he rather have a small group of people running a country of 330 million people, which to me is indescribable.
12 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidWhy arent other rules in our society, anti-jaywalking laws, building codes, etc., equally considered tyranny?
Simply put, The greatest threat is not people catching coronavirus. The greatest threat to this country is tyranny. Like I said, that is the simplest way I can put it.
What would marauder at Al rather have….. everybody get a shot, or, would he rather have a small group of people running a country of 330 million people, which to me is indescribable.