09 Jul 22
@kevcvs57 saidThe discussion isn't about tadpoles but human life, and it doesn't center around
Are you claiming not to understand what a 6 week old foetus is or even looks like, it’s in the tadpole stage, no snipping, cutting or liquidising required.
So with this lack of knowledge you storm in here demanding that a state has the moral right to force a ten year old rape victim to carry a tadpole to term and raise her rapists offspring.
I’m so glad I grew out of my re ...[text shortened]... but then again My mother would have made sure that I never would have become your kind of Christian.
a single ten-year-old that had something horrible happen to her either. It is about
millions of lives ended, and how it was done, in the end, doesn't matter only that
it was done. We don't count gun violence in ending a life more or less important
than when someone is knifed to death, strangled, or run over by a car on purpose;
it is all ending a life.
@kellyjay saidI've read through your posts on this thread and still don't understand your position.
The discussion isn't about tadpoles but human life, and it doesn't center around
a single ten-year-old that had something horrible happen to her either. It is about
millions of lives ended, and how it was done, in the end, doesn't matter only that
it was done. We don't count gun violence in ending a life more or less important
than when someone is knifed to death, strangled, or run over by a car on purpose;
it is all ending a life.
Of course it must matter "how it was done". A woman carrying a child to birth is at least 15 times more likely to die than if she chooses to abort. Hundreds of US women die each year due to pregnancy. So I suppose you can run the numbers and estimate how many more women will die vs. children who are born, but you don't really know. Then you can argue that a greater number of living children supersedes a fewer number of living adults, but it does matter "how it was done". You're choosing one life over another. Actually, it's even worse than that. You're asking the government to force life and death decisions on a free society.
A ban on abortion at the level you are asking for is antithetical to a free society. Some others here have posted more nuanced positions about defining a line between a potential life in which the mother retains her right to medical care and privacy, but beyond that line the woman's options are limited. But that isn't what you're suggesting at all and you've rejected any effort to maintain bodily autonomy.
At conception, there are 400,000 fertilized human embryos sitting in cold storage. Since the 1970s, an additional 1.7 million have been trashed. The live ones are very unlikely to ever make it into a womb (although some are trying to "adopt" ). As you say it does not matter "HOW IT WAS DONE" does it make any difference in your mind if one of these fertilized eggs sitting in liquid nitrogen is thrown in the trash, vs. this little 10 year old girl dying because her government forced childbirth?
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidAbout 90% of abortions in the US are done before the ninth week of pregnancy in the US. The embryo/fetus up to that point is around an inch long, so there is no need to "dismember" it nor does it "scream" as you claim.
I started by asking when they do the abortion, will they dismember the child in
the womb.
In fact, more than half of abortions in the US are done by taking a pill(s). https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2022/02/medication-abortion-now-accounts-more-half-all-us-abortions
09 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidYou think we should value life by our statistical analysis, that life’s value should be valued by who is most likely to live? Kill those that may not make it according to the data we collect? I get many feel that way survival of the fittest the weaker are a drain on the strong.
I've read through your posts on this thread and still don't understand your position.
Of course it must matter "how it was done". A woman carrying a child to birth is at least 15 times more likely to die than if she chooses to abort. Hundreds of US women die each year due to pregnancy. So I suppose you can run the numbers and estimate how many more women will die vs. chi ...[text shortened]... hrown in the trash, vs. this little 10 year old girl dying because her government forced childbirth?
09 Jul 22
@mott-the-hoople saidYou can say democratic, as it’s the democratically elected government making the decision. Rather than the unelected judicial pillar.
the democratic way ehh? can you say DICTATOR?
@kellyjay saidNo I don't think that. I didn't assign value, you said a life lost is the same regardless of circumstances. I know that outlawed abortion will kill people by forcing childbirth, and you have decided that those lives lost matter less. All human death therefore cannot be equal.
You think we should value life by our statistical analysis, that life’s value should be valued by who is most likely to live? Kill those that may not make it according to the data we collect? I get many feel that way survival of the fittest the weaker are a drain on the strong.
@wildgrass saidDriving to the grocery store people die, going to bed people die, watching TV people die. Every successful abortion of a healthy child they die. Laws passed forbidding abortions or allowing them there will be people who die.
No I don't think that. I know that outlawed abortion will kill people by forcing childbirth, and you have decided that those lives lost matter less. All human death therefore cannot be equal.
Acting as if the life in a woman is the issue simply demeans life as if it is the son or daughters fault for being. We make bad choices and some do horribly evil things to others. The poor ten year old who got her pregnant who did it, whose the father? Could it be her father, brother, uncle, grandparent, family friend, a client of a child sex trafficker that has not come up in this conversation that I recall.
The fact it is news she had to cross state lines is news, otherwise would we know and talk about her? Had she not been made an example for abortion support she would be an child used and abused, and nameless.
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidDriving to the grocery store people die but we don't outlaw driving. Yet you want abortion outlawed because you have placed more value on the unborn than other lives.
Driving to the grocery store people die, going to bed people die, watching TV people die. Every successful abortion of a healthy child they die. Laws passed forbidding abortions or allowing them there will be people who die.
Acting as if the life in a woman is the issue simply demeans life as if it is the son or daughters fault for being. We make bad choices and some do h ...[text shortened]... e not been made an example for abortion support she would be an child used and abused, and nameless.
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidYou want abortion outlawed because you have placed more value on the unborn than other lives.
Driving to the grocery store people die, going to bed people die, watching TV people die. Every successful abortion of a healthy child they die. Laws passed forbidding abortions or allowing them there will be people who die.
Acting as if the life in a woman is the issue simply demeans life as if it is the son or daughters fault for being. We make bad choices and some do h ...[text shortened]... e not been made an example for abortion support she would be an child used and abused, and nameless.
09 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidYou make my point, we can not stop death by passing laws one way or another. The value I place on everyone is the same regardless of their place in life, unlike you, that promotes or justify death caused by abortion.
Driving to the grocery store people die but we don't outlaw driving. Yet you want abortion outlawed because you have placed more value on the unborn than other lives.
09 Jul 22
@Wajoma
I guess you coming from a country the size of New Jersey cannot comprehend just how far apart theses states are and now with the outrageous trigger laws in place most of the entire south has made abortion illegal so now it is not a matter of a few hundred miles but some more than a THOUSAND miles and OF COURSE a ten yo rape victim can just hitchhike her way to a clinic 800 miles away, right?