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Absolutely astonishing self delusion.
- Supernaturally keep alive billions upon billions of non Christians in hell for eternity = morally acceptable
- Abort a tiny fraction of those as unborn babies, who then don’t end up being tortured for eternity by the SAME god who is telling his zealots not to abort them = morally unacceptable.
NUTS!
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidSo you do not equate the idea of the sanctity of life from conception with theological dogma rather than civic or legal dogma.
You think something we call wrong and based on religion should not be written
in the law of the land for everyone, stealing, murder, rape, do we need to have
those laws done away with because there are similarities in someone's religion?
I've been talking about life, if you want to talk about separation between church
and state that it is a different topic.
So when exactly after conception does the bunch of cells become a human child with all the rights associated with that status?
09 Jul 22
@divegeester saidJesus, torture, eternity, vengeance, Trump, and Hell are things I have not been
I’ll bring it up where choose hell-boy!
So your version of Jesus doesn’t torture people alive for eternity for “convenience” he does it because of some deep need for vengeance against all the babies you slavering Trumpists prevented being aborted so that they could live and end up in hell?
Is that it?
Because it makes absolutely ZERO sense whatsoever.
talking about here. You are in the wrong Forum regarding the religious portion
of this, concerning Trump, I'm not a Trump apologist; I imagine you are just
so full of hate that whenever you disagree with someone, you use that as a term
to insult, if you can tag someone with Trump's name no need to justify your
stance, the same thing with Hell, use Trump and Hell, and you can shut down
your brain and not think things through on any topic; let the hate be declared
your feelings are all that matter by invoking those.
09 Jul 22
@kevcvs57 saidYou realize right now even you are just a bunch of cells right?
So you do not equate the idea of the sanctity of life from conception with theological dogma rather than civic or legal dogma.
So when exactly after conception does the bunch of cells become a human child with all the rights associated with that status?
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidYou are clearly claiming that the termination of 6 week pregnancy requires that the foetus must be dismembered in the womb before removal?
What lie have I said about six-week termination? The age of someone with a child
doesn't change the discussion about life in the womb. It is horrible that something
like that could happen to a ten-year-old; there is nothing I have said that diminishes
that. Your prejudice and hate of a political party don't add to the righteousness of
taking a life or justify it in any form or fashion; it is a side issue.
You’ve said it enough times in this thread about a six week pregnancy resulting from the rape of a ten year old child.
09 Jul 22
@kevcvs57 saidI've been talking about the process of human life starting; without conception,
So you do not equate the idea of the sanctity of life from conception with theological dogma rather than civic or legal dogma.
So when exactly after conception does the bunch of cells become a human child with all the rights associated with that status?
where a new human life starts, there is no human life. Attaching value to life is
scary; if you think someone else has the right to determine worth, life will only
have assigned value if you don't have an intrinsic value. Any value assigned
can be valued or rejected; this will be true in the womb and out of it. Do you
think the recent mass murderers valued the lives of those killed?
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@kellyjay saidNo, this is exactly the right forum because the two ideologies are fundamentally linked, although clearly don’t like having it pointed out to you that they are!
Jesus, torture, eternity, vengeance, Trump, and Hell are things I have not been
talking about here. You are in the wrong Forum regarding the religious portion
of this, concerning Trump, I'm not a Trump apologist; I imagine you are just
so full of hate that whenever you disagree with someone, you use that as a term
to insult, if you can tag someone with Trump's name no ne ...[text shortened]... through on any topic; let the hate be declared
your feelings are all that matter by invoking those.
I’m not “full of hate” kellyjay, stop obfuscating.
I am calling you out over your belief that abortion is morally wrong whilst you simultaneously hold to eternal torture by your version of God being morally right.
Leaving aside the moral incompatibility of those two beliefs for the moment just consider what I’ve pointed out twice to you already… that is: according to YOUR belief that God only saves a “few” who find the way… then the vast proportion of those non aborted babies will end up in hell with YOUR version of Jesus burning them alive forever.
Can you not see how your entrenched dogma over both of these issues is morally incomprehensible and completely contradictory!?
@kevcvs57 saidI started by asking when they do the abortion, will they dismember the child in
You are clearly claiming that the termination of 6 week pregnancy requires that the foetus must be dismembered in the womb before removal?
You’ve said it enough times in this thread about a six week pregnancy resulting from the rape of a ten year old child.
the womb.
09 Jul 22
@divegeester saidSure dive.
No, this is exactly the right forum because the two ideologies are fundamentally linked, although clearly don’t like having it pointed out to you that they are!
I’m not “full of hate” kellyjay, stop obfuscating.
I am calling you out over your belief that abortion is morally wrong whilst you simultaneously hold to eternal torture by your version of God being morall ...[text shortened]... ntrenched dogma over both of these issues is morally incomprehensible and completely contradictory!?
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidBut unless you haven’t researched this at all you would know there is nothing to dismember, it’s just a classic piece of kerb crawling black propaganda that you might encounter outside a family planning clinic if your unlucky enough to live somewhere with a high density of extremist Christian’s in your country.
I started by asking when they do the abortion, will they dismember the child in
the womb.
09 Jul 22
@kevcvs57 saidSo what, do they crush the body ending the life that way, take the head, snip it in
But unless you haven’t researched this at all you would know there is nothing to dismember, it’s just a classic piece of kerb crawling black propaganda that you might encounter outside a family planning clinic if your unlucky enough to live somewhere with a high density of extremist Christian’s in your country.
half, because that is not as bad as taking off an arm and leg? It is still a human
life which is the central point. A life allowed to go full term will be an infant, a
toddler, through adulthood but kill it at any point, no.
09 Jul 22
@divegeester saidThe Spiritual Forum is for spiritual matter discussions, anything related to those type
Don’t run away kellyjay. If you believe something defend it if you can!
You cannot expect to be proclaiming one thing in one forum, and something which is completely incongruent with the first in another forum.
Can you not see that?
of things can be addressed there in full.
09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidAre you claiming not to understand what a 6 week old foetus is or even looks like, it’s in the tadpole stage, no snipping, cutting or liquidising required.
So what, do they crush the body ending the life that way, take the head, snip it in
half, because that is not as bad as taking off an arm and leg? It is still a human
life which is the central point. A life allowed to go full term will be an infant, a
toddler, through adulthood but kill it at any point, no.
So with this lack of knowledge you storm in here demanding that a state has the moral right to force a ten year old rape victim to carry a tadpole to term and raise her rapists offspring.
I’m so glad I grew out of my religion, but then again My mother would have made sure that I never would have become your kind of Christian.
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@kellyjay saidI’ll start a thread about it there too, not because you don’t want to discuss it here, but because you’re a chicken-livered religious zealot who runs away from his nasty beliefs.
The Spiritual Forum is for spiritual matter discussions, anything related to those type
of things can be addressed there in full.
This forum membership can see what I’ve said to you, your reaction to it, and they can make of you and your opinions what they will.