09 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidNo you are not placing equal value. You are justifying a law banning abortion while ignoring the loss of life that will cause.
You make my point, we can not stop death by passing laws one way or another. The value I place on everyone is the same regardless of their place in life, unlike you, that promotes or justify death caused by abortion.
09 Jul 22
@KellyJay
Fetus's don't have the CAPABILITY of feeling pain till at least 26 weeks of gestation, that is over 5 MONTHS of pregnancy so your argument is bogus.
Sorry for the long URL
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/#:~:text=Behavioural%20reactions%20and%20brain%20haemodynamic,occur%20by%2026%20weeks'%20gestation.&text=These%20and%20other%20observations%20(figure,at%20least%2026%20weeks'%20gestation.
@kellyjay saidWhose talking about loopholes?
The discussion isn't about tadpoles but human life, and it doesn't center around
a single ten-year-old that had something horrible happen to her either. It is about
millions of lives ended, and how it was done, in the end, doesn't matter only that
it was done. We don't count gun violence in ending a life more or less important
than when someone is knifed to death, strangled, or run over by a car on purpose;
it is all ending a life.
We’re talking about an extremist minority forcing women and girls as young as ten to become mothers against their will because they are retarded enough to sanctify a clump of cells and give it supremacy over the will of it’s host. Did I mention the duplicity of those who pretend this is a humanistic stance rather than a theological one.
Keep pretending that a clump of cells or a tadpole represent a human life but you are only singing to your own small choir.
09 Jul 22
@kmax87 saidAnd there are now at least 5 of them on the US Supreme Court.
Apparently there are those like him who believe that the so called separation between church and state never existed in the minds of the Founders but was inserted to protect American ideals from foreign (read Catholic) religious influence. This perspective rejects the notion of an America as a secular humanist state but one founded firmly on Protestant Judeo-Christian principles.
09 Jul 22
@suzianne saidTo be fair, Roberts wrote a separate opinion acknowledging that some line must exist between bodily autonomy and fetal rights. He just didn't think the federal government should define where that line should be drawn, legally.
And there are now at least 5 of them on the US Supreme Court.
Unfortunately there'll be a whole mess of lawsuits that I think will force their hand in the matter, especially if states are trying to make laws giving citizen rights to fertilized eggs. That will open up multiple worm cans.
10 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidI am acknowledging every life lost are you forgetting the end result of every successful abortion ends a life?
No you are not placing equal value. You are justifying a law banning abortion while ignoring the loss of life that will cause.
10 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidSo all lives don’t matter to you is your argument?
No you are not placing equal value. You are justifying a law banning abortion while ignoring the loss of life that will cause.
10 Jul 22
@sonhouse saidIf someone is murdered in their sleep and feel no pain does that count as murder, what if they are gassed or poisoned and feel no pain does that count? You think if we end a life without pain that is some how what humane, and makes it just?
@KellyJay
Fetus's don't have the CAPABILITY of feeling pain till at least 26 weeks of gestation, that is over 5 MONTHS of pregnancy so your argument is bogus.
Sorry for the long URL
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/#:~:text=Behavioural%20reactions%20and%20brain%20haemodynamic,occur%20by%2026%20weeks'%20gestation.&text=These%20and%20other%20observations%20(figure,at%20least%2026%20weeks'%20gestation.
10 Jul 22
@kevcvs57 saidYou are a clump of cells.
Whose talking about loopholes?
We’re talking about an extremist minority forcing women and girls as young as ten to become mothers against their will because they are retarded enough to sanctify a clump of cells and give it supremacy over the will of it’s host. Did I mention the duplicity of those who pretend this is a humanistic stance rather than a theological one.
Keep ...[text shortened]... clump of cells or a tadpole represent a human life but you are only singing to your own small choir.
10 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidif that were true (it isn't) you would still have no right to force a human being to give up their body to keep someone else alive.
I am acknowledging every life lost are you forgetting the end result of every successful abortion ends a life?
I can't force you to donate even blood against your will to save someone else. We don't even take organs from corpses if they haven't given consent.
But you're going to force women to give up 9 months of their lives to act as an incubator. Including girls as young as 10. Victims of rape. Women having ectopic pregnancies. Women with fetuses developing without vital organs.
All because you're sadistic religious freaks who misinterpreted some passage from a book fewer and fewer people give a fuk about
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10 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidWhat if they just didn’t believe in your version on Jesus?
If someone is murdered in their sleep and feel no pain does that count as murder, what if they are gassed or poisoned and feel no pain does that count? You think if we end a life without pain that is some how what humane, and makes it just?
10 Jul 22
@zahlanzi saidI get that instead of caring for the unborn children, many think it’s okay an a right to slaughter them in the womb instead. So if an abortion was done a couple of years ago there is a toddler whose life was ended before they ever did a thing.
if that were true (it isn't) you would still have no right to force a human being to give up their body to keep someone else alive.
I can't force you to donate even blood against your will to save someone else. We don't even take organs from corpses if they haven't given consent.
But you're going to force women to give up 9 months of their lives to act as an incubato ...[text shortened]... religious freaks who misinterpreted some passage from a book fewer and fewer people give a fuk about
Instead a series of choices someone made who should have loved and protected them, had them killed with the approval of many here, because it is a so called right, not a life that holds sway.
10 Jul 22
@kellyjay said"Slaughter".
I get that instead of caring for the unborn children, many think it’s okay an a right to slaughter them in the womb instead. So if an abortion was done a couple of years ago there is a toddler whose life was ended before they ever did a thing.
Instead a series of choices someone made who should have loved and protected them, had them killed with the approval of many here, because it is a so called right, not a life that holds sway.
What a brainwashed fool you are.
Why don't you just cut to the chase with your usual "You just want to kill babies" shtick that you've ran on this Forum for 15+ years.