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Originally posted by Leon Alvarado
You may well be; I am not!
You seem to link the state's right to execute people to the cost of detaining them. Do your principles with regard to this matter extend any wider or deeper in this matter?

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Originally posted by Leon Alvarado
Good for them. The Uk still wastes money keeping Ian Brady alive!
I believe that studies have shown that in the US it costs as much or more to execute people than it does to keep them in prison for life. People are in solitary confinement on death row for at least a decade in most cases and the government has to finance endless appeals with the government paying both sides' legal fees in most cases.

Studies have also shown that the deterrent effect of death over life imprisonment is minimal.

I get as angry as anyone when I hear about a brutal murder, and I certainly don't feel bad for murderers who are executed. But between the marginal benefits and the real risk of executing an innocent person, at some point you have to ask yourself whether it's really worth it. The northeast corner of the United States has executed a grand total of one person in the last 37 years; and that was a guy who specifically wanted to be executed and intentionally dropped all his appeals. We seem to be doing fine without it.

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Originally posted by sh76
I believe that studies have shown that in the US it costs as much or more to execute people than it does to keep them in prison for life. People are in solitary confinement on death row for at least a decade in most cases and the government has to finance endless appeals with the government paying both sides' legal fees in most cases.

Studies have also shown ...[text shortened]... o be executed and intentionally dropped all his appeals. We seem to be doing fine without it.
For the states which employ the death penalty, this luxury comes at a high price. In Texas, a death penalty case costs taxpayers an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.(3) In Florida, each execution is costing the state $3.2 million.(4) In financially strapped California, one report estimated that the state could save $90 million each year by abolishing capital punishment.(5) The New York Department of Correctional Services estimated that implementing the death penalty would cost the state about $118 million annually.

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I don't really know any convincing argument for the death penalty, and I know one convincing argument against it (killing innocents). Therefore, I am against it.

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Originally posted by clandarkfire
I know this is not the most current topic, but I am curious of peoples' opinions on this subject. Discuss -
I agree with it, but only for serious crimes and when the person to be executed is definately not innocent.

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Forget about killing innocents. Killing the guilty is barbaric, and the notion of "turn him over to the parents" is misconstrual of what criminal law is even for.

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Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
Forget about killing innocents. Killing the guilty is barbaric, and the notion of "turn him over to the parents" is misconstrual of what criminal law is even for.
doesn't seem barbaric to me. Some people are better off when they're dead.

It would a waste of money and space to keep serial rapists and serial killers in jail.

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Originally posted by generalissimo


It would a waste of money and space to keep serial rapists and serial killers in jail.
I think that was already addressed.

What, in your view, is the purpose of a criminal sentence?

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Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
I think that was already addressed.

What, in your view, is the purpose of a criminal sentence?
It depends on the method of execution and the period of time it takes to get the prisoners to be executed.

To prevent people from commiting more crimes.

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Originally posted by generalissimo
It depends on the method of execution and the period of time it takes to get the prisoners to be executed.

To prevent people from commiting more crimes.
True. What's a good, quick cost-effective way to execute people?

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Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
True. What's a good, quick cost-effective way to execute people?
firing squad.

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Originally posted by generalissimo
firing squad.
And how do we avoid putting the wrong people up against the wall?
Where do we keep people while we decide if they are indeed the right people to put up against the wall?

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Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
And how do we avoid putting the wrong people up against the wall?
Where do we keep people while we decide if they are indeed the right people to put up against the wall?
Like I said before, it should only be used when the criminal is proved beyond doubt to be guilty.

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Originally posted by generalissimo
Like I said before, it should only be used when the criminal is proved beyond doubt to be guilty.
Right. How should this proof work?

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Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
Right. How should this proof work?
what do you mean?

If the guy was caught on camera for example, then you'd be sure he was guilty.

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