29 Sep 05
Originally posted by VargState benefits are deliberately low to drive people into work
Perhaps your standards are higher than mine, but I consider state benefits to be quite sufficient to provide a decent diet, accommodation and the odd luxury.
As far as I know, benefits aren't intended to provide for luxuries or savings but to give people something to live off if they are out of work.
It's rather melodramatic to refer to it as a slow death - ...[text shortened]... on about them turning to drugs/crime/prostitution is ridiculous!
Anyone can become unemployed!
(or crime).
I said many people turn to crime and I stand by it. Yes, we all
know someone who had an uncle who smoked 60 a day 'til he
was 90 but that's not what usually happens.
Life is more than just eating and sleeping, things have a
habit of going wrong.
29 Sep 05
This is all besides the point anyway. The concept of the world owing
someone a living is giving them the opportunity to use their skills
to support themselves and/or their family.
The world is no longer about what works and what is of benefit to all
but instead is about what people can be made to believe and what
will achieve the most profits.
It is not enough to be honest and hardworking in todays world. It is
enough though to be corrupt and unscrupulous.
This is how the world has changed and I don't think it is for the better.
29 Sep 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckI think you've got the idea of state benefits totally wrong.
State benefits are deliberately low to drive people into work
(or crime).
I said many people turn to crime and I stand by it. Yes, we all
know someone who had an uncle who smoked 60 a day 'til he
was 90 but that's not what usually happens.
Life is more than just eating and sleeping, things have a
habit of going wrong.
They were put in place to stop people from being destitute not to force them back to work or to allow people to live well.
29 Sep 05
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Originally posted by VargIt's funny that the system only works for those who know how it works
I think you've got the idea of state benefits totally wrong.
They were put in place to stop people from being destitute not to force them back to work or to allow people to live well.
and hence have been on it for a long time.
29 Sep 05
Originally posted by VargI've had to walk a relative to the boot of a strangers car because
I think you've got the idea of state benefits totally wrong.
They were put in place to stop people from being destitute not to force them back to work or to allow people to live well.
there was no space in government run hostels.
'They gave him a blanket and told him where a good bridge to
sleep under was'. (he was 25 at the time)
And no doubt I will have to step over more young homeless people
on my way to Mr Blairs Olympic village.
30 Sep 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckpush for a Civilian Conservation Corps.
I've had to walk a relative to the boot of a strangers car because
there was no space in government run hostels.
'They gave him a blanket and told him where a good bridge to
sleep under was'. (he was 25 at the time)
And no doubt I will have to step over more young homeless people
on my way to Mr Blairs Olympic village.
aren't there cities or areas in the UK where unemployment is less?
you let your relative sleep in the boot of a stranger's car?
30 Sep 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckIrrelevant.
I've had to walk a relative to the boot of a strangers car because
there was no space in government run hostels.
'They gave him a blanket and told him where a good bridge to
sleep under was'. (he was 25 at the time)
And no doubt I will have to step over more young homeless people
on my way to Mr Blairs Olympic village.
I want to sit on my arse all day and have a nice house, couple of cars and foreign holidays a year, plenty of booze and satellite TV, so kindly pop along to work and fund my taxes, please!
30 Sep 05
Originally posted by Varghave him send the check direct ... what need for a middleman? ...
Irrelevant.
I want to sit on my arse all day and have a nice house, couple of cars and foreign holidays a year, plenty of booze and satellite TV, so kindly pop along to work and fund my taxes, please!
30 Sep 05
Originally posted by Thequ1cki think people try to get the best they can for themselves and often also for their friends and family,
This is all besides the point anyway. The concept of the world owing
someone a living is giving them the opportunity to use their skills
to support themselves and/or their family.
The world is no longer about what works and what is of benefit to all
but instead is about what people can be made to believe and what
will achieve the most profits.
It ...[text shortened]... t and unscrupulous.
This is how the world has changed and I don't think it is for the better.
this is not new, this was then - and this is now,
with each passing generation, the mechanism with which the fortunate choose their accomplices in luxury changes,
"hardworking" is just an excuse ... everyone has only "everything they have in their life" to give.
some get the lucre and some do not.
it sucks, it is not fair.
tomorrow : it will suck in a different way.
but really life is not about what you had, or have, or left, or used, or abused ... it is about how much you lived. and i know YOU have lived a lot 🙂
30 Sep 05
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Originally posted by flexmoreThe truth is we are so lost in the pursuit of abstracts that we have
i think people try to get the best they can for themselves and often also for their friends and family,
this is not new, this was then - and this is now,
with each passing generation, the mechanism with which the fortunate choose their accomplices in luxury changes,
"hardworking" is just an excuse ... everyone has only "everything they have in t ...[text shortened]... or used, or abused ... it is about how much [b]you lived. and i know YOU have lived a lot 🙂[/b]
forgotten our ideals.
The rich want to contain the poor so that they can continue enslaving
them to their luxuries. Governments are happy for this to go on because
it doesn't interrupt their agenda of "progression".
Meanwhile the middle-class laze like ruminants, content that they are
suffering the fight by dishing more papercuts to the poor.
I don't feel sorry for myself or regret what I have or haven't done.
You're right, it's all part of the big cycle of things. But the world relies
on interuption and is built on discontent. Luxury for me is to look
forward and not back. To watch the sky and not my wallet.
The rich don't have that to give.
30 Sep 05
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Originally posted by VargDo you think it's irrelevent that we are building an Olympic village when
Irrelevant.
I want to sit on my arse all day and have a nice house, couple of cars and foreign holidays a year, plenty of booze and satellite TV, so kindly pop along to work and fund my taxes, please!
the same money could house every homeless person in Britain?
If the world doesn't owe us anything then why do we pay tax??