30 Apr 07
Originally posted by mrstabbyThere's quite a difference between the way a 9mm, a Desert Eagle and an SK-S handle. Some guns are for hunting, some are recreational and others are for home defense. My favorites are the ones to be used for quelling civil disorder or against potential tyrants.
So you own them because you can? Why guns? Why not chess sets?
Musicians have more than one instrument as they produce different sounds. Aside from taking different ammunition, guns are either accurate or they're not.
30 Apr 07
What interests me is this idea that private gun ownership is a means of conquering oppression, as opposed to orchestrating it - yet the nineteenth century is filled with examples of Pinkerton men shooting railway workers and miners who were simply exercising their right to withdraw their labour.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by AmauroteAre you saying that pinkerton men were shooting men that were unarmed and unable to defend themselves?
What interests me is this idea that private gun ownership is a means of conquering oppression, as opposed to orchestrating it - yet the nineteenth century is filled with examples of Pinkerton men shooting railway workers and miners who were simply exercising their right to withdraw their labour.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by lepomisNo, I'm saying that well-armed, paid professional gunmen were hired to overawe and murder largely unarmed trade unionists exercising their legal rights to strike - I'm saying that prvate gun ownership is as likely to increase the power of the rich over the poor as it is to increase the power of the people against the state.
Are you saying that pinkerton men were shooting men that were unarmed and unable to defend themselves?
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by lepomisYes, how dare you have 2 houses whilst some of your fellow persons are without food and shelter. You should work harder to house, feed, and provide healthcare for them all. Shame on you.
Yes... he should be made to give one of those to a more deserving person.
Well, back to work for me!
Let's see, which vehicle should I take...
On second thought I think I'll hop in the Monster Truck and go fishin' this sunny afternoon.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by AmauroteYou seem to know a bit of history and may have better details than I, but wasnt there a labor dispute in the early 1900's in Colorado... coal miners I think? Anyway... the union members after being attacked by the national guard, heavily armed themselves and went on the attack themselves. I dont know if they were successful at retaining their employment, but I remember that it was the catalyst for improved federal employment laws...
No, I'm saying that well-armed, paid professional gunmen were hired to overawe and murder largely unarmed trade unionists exercising their legal rights to strike - I'm saying that prvate gun ownership is as likely to increase the power of the rich over the poor as it is to increase the power of the people against the state.
Does that sound right?
01 May 07
Originally posted by AmauroteNot quite. The labor force turned their employer's property into their own personal fortification. They did that to keep out anyone looking to replace them. The owner called in pinkerton to bust the strike. Everybody had a gun. Everybody shot at everybody else. There are no innocent victims in that situation.
What interests me is this idea that private gun ownership is a means of conquering oppression, as opposed to orchestrating it - yet the nineteenth century is filled with examples of Pinkerton men shooting railway workers and miners who were simply exercising their right to withdraw their labour.
The workers caught the pinkerton boys by surprise at first and d@mn near wiped'em out. Then came the reinforcements...
There have been hundreds of episodes of violence in regards to worker/employer relations in the US. Granted most were nowhere near that level of violence. Both sides were usually guilty everytime.
01 May 07
Well I'm going to the house and clean my 37 pistols of varying calibres, 12 shotguns, 11 bolt action rifles and my favorites of course the military style assault weapons in which I am the proud owner of a Uzi, FN/FAL, AK-47, AR-15, Ruger mini - 14, H&K MP5, and the creme de la creme my Barrett .50 sniper rifle. Now cry about that you Euro pukes.
01 May 07
Originally posted by slimjimDoes it count if they laugh til tears come out?
Well I'm going to the house and clean my 37 pistols of varying calibres, 12 shotguns, 11 bolt action rifles and my favorites of course the military style assault weapons in which I am the proud owner of a Uzi, FN/FAL, AK-47, AR-15, Ruger mini - 14, H&K MP5, and the creme de la creme my Barrett .50 sniper rifle. Now cry about that you Euro pukes.
01 May 07
Originally posted by slimjimJust curious... what does the .50 cal cost per round? Have never shot one... but wouldn't pass up the chance. Do you have a place where you can test the range on that?
Well I'm going to the house and clean my 37 pistols of varying calibres, 12 shotguns, 11 bolt action rifles and my favorites of course the military style assault weapons in which I am the proud owner of a Uzi, FN/FAL, AK-47, AR-15, Ruger mini - 14, H&K MP5, and the creme de la creme my Barrett .50 sniper rifle. Now cry about that you Euro pukes.
01 May 07
Originally posted by lepomisI get military issue .50 that costs me about $1.50 a round. The match grade bullets costs between $5.00 and $6.00 a round. I use a firing range on the Rod and Gun Club here at Ft. Bliss, TX. We made some targets out of half inch steel and set them off at about between 800 and a 1000 meters and go to town. Come on down to El Paso and I'll let you pop off a few rounds.
Just curious... what does the .50 cal cost per round? Have never shot one... but wouldn't pass up the chance. Do you have a place where you can test the range on that?