I wonder if there are homosexual virgins?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
Yes, there is no trustworthy empirical data to substantiate my claims.

Strangely though, my claims are made from having intimate friendship
with homosexual males.

I've provided you with a hypothesis as to why I've made my claim,
why don't you provide me with a counter?

Even better, why don't you show me a gay male that claims otherwise?

We've already had http://ub-counseling.buffalo.edu/orient.shtml

Can't really google 'gay' and 'promiscious' at work, so I'll respond later.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
Even better, why don't you show me a gay male that claims otherwise?

You might find this interesting:

http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/gayhealth.html#prom

I recommend you read the entire page. It's interesting.

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His personal position on Christianity and homosexuality is also good reading*:

http://www.jeramyt.org/gay.html#mypos

* Though perhaps for another thread... 😕

Originally posted by Redmike
You missed a bit: "Since actual data about promiscuity among heterosexuals and gays are lacking, we are currently unable to definitively accept or reject the rampant gay promiscuity hypothesis".

The article gives theoretical reasons why such a sterotype might actually happen.

It gives no evidence to support [b]whether it happens, and the author acknowledges this.[/b]

Redmike, within which kind of ideological framework do you analyse the issues such as homosexuality. It can't be socialism or communism, since these ideologies never made these issues an object of investigation. Which is the ideology you adhere to in this field ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Redmike, within which kind of ideological framework do you analyse the issues such as homosexuality. It can't be socialism or communism, since these ideologies never made these issues an object of investigation. Which is the ideology you adhere to in this field ?

I don't know if it is correct to say that socialism has never made gay rights an object of investigation.
No doubt a google could get all sorts of links.

But as far as I'm concerned, it is simply an issue of equality.

No different to anti-racism, or support for women's rights.

Originally posted by Redmike
I don't know if it is correct to say that socialism has never made gay rights an object of investigation.
No doubt a google could get all sorts of links.

But as far as I'm concerned, it is simply an issue of equality.

No different to anti-racism, or support for women's rights.

Isn't it a fact that socialism has in practise become a form of liberalism ?

If not, which are the differences at present between the two ideologies in your view ?

Originally posted by GinoJ
🙄

well said.

Originally posted by Redmike
I don't know if it is correct to say that socialism has never made gay rights an object of investigation.
No doubt a google could get all sorts of links.

But as far as I'm concerned, it is simply an issue of equality.

No different to anti-racism, or support for women's rights.

How do you determine whether some act is morally acceptable or not ? Which are the criteria that you use ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Isn't it a fact that socialism has in practise become a form of liberalism ?

If not, which are the differences at present between the two ideologies in your view ?

I don't think they are the same at all, though I know some people just use the term liberal to mean anything remotely left.

Socialism is primarily about the economy and who owns it. How we address other issues, IMO, stems from this. Perhaps that means socialists share some ideas with liberals, thta doesn't make us the same.

In some countries which aspire to be socialist, they don't have a great record on gay rights.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
How do you determine whether some act is morally acceptable or not ? Which are the criteria that you use ?

Like everyone else, a whole range of criteria.

In this case, it is a simple question of whether it does any harm to any individuals or to society.

Discriminating against gays makes as much sense to me as discriminating against left-handed people. So they do certain things a bit different from the way I like to do them. So what.

Originally posted by Redmike
Like everyone else, a whole range of criteria.

In this case, it is a simple question of whether it does any harm to any individuals or to society.

Discriminating against gays makes as much sense to me as discriminating against left-handed people. So they do certain things a bit different from the way I like to do them. So what.

Maybe you should redefine your criteria for what the true
repercussions of this expressionism mean.
Are you really unable to distinguish between handedness
and sexuality?

Maybe you're so caught up in the Hollywood nostalgia for the
underdog that you're too frightened to say what you really think.

So what are you RM, the true indemnity of the idealist,
simply naive or just another homophobe?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
Maybe you should redefine your criteria for what the true
repercussions of this expressionism mean.
Are you really unable to distinguish between handedness
and sexuality?

Maybe you're so caught up in the Hollywood nostalgia for the
underdog that you're too frightened to say what you really think.

So what are you RM, the true indemnity of the idealist,
simply naive or just another homophobe?

What makes you think I'm a homophobe, ffs?

I didn't say I was unable to distinguish between left-handedness and being gay.

Perhaps if you address something I had actually said, rather than invent something and criticise me for it.....

Originally posted by Redmike
What makes you think I'm a homophobe, ffs?

I didn't say I was unable to distinguish between left-handedness and being gay.

Perhaps if you address something I had actually said, rather than invent something and criticise me for it.....

'Discriminating against gays makes as much sense to me as discriminating against left-handed people.'

This is what I'm addressing.

You're so far left wing that the whole world has become
some kind of soup for you, hasn't it?

As a victim of a gay assault when I was younger (don't worry,
I got off lightly, a qu1ck one off the wrist if you will).
Do you think it's fair that, if I ever have children,
I address the risks of homosexuality to my kids?

Or do I explain to them that there ARE no differences between
people, that we're exactly alike?

edit -'What makes you think I'm a homophobe, ffs?'
Your inability to extend your hand to truth.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
'Discriminating against gays makes as much sense to me as discriminating against left-handed people.'

This is what I'm addressing.

You're so far left wing that the whole world has become
some kind of soup for you, hasn't it?

As a victim of a gay assault when I was younger (don't worry,
I got off lightly, a qu1ck one off the wrist if you will). ...[text shortened]... explain to them that there ARE no differences between
people, that we're exactly alike?

I'm not sure how ay of this relates to what I said, never mind justifies your accusation that I'm a homophobe.

You're so far left wing that the whole world has become
some kind of soup for you, hasn't it?
Not sure what you're getting at here.

I'm also not clear on the relevance of the assault you suffered.

Do you think it's fair that, if I ever have children,
I address the risks of homosexuality to my kids?

Or do I explain to them that there ARE no differences between
people, that we're exactly alike?

What do you think the 'risks of homosexuality' you might address would be?
I certainly woudn''t (and haven't) explained to my kids that there are no differences between people, nor that we're exactly alike. This is patently not the case. However, for all the differences there are, each kind of person is equal.

Are you arguing that we should discriminate against gays? Your position isn't clear to me at all.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
As a victim of a gay assault when I was younger (don't worry,
I got off lightly, a qu1ck one off the wrist if you will).
Do you think it's fair that, if I ever have children,
I address the risks of homosexuality to my kids?

So if you had daughters, would you warn them off heterosexual relationships because of the possibility of them being date raped?

Originally posted by kmax87
So if you had daughters, would you warn them off heterosexual relationships because of the possibility of them being date raped?

I'd warn them off men, yes, as much as I'd warn
them from snakes or crocodiles.

Where are you going with this?