I’m so proud of them boys…

@athousandyoung said
It looks like we have an honest disagreement among men.

Ayn Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness “The Nature of Government,”:

even a society whose every member were fully rational and faultlessly moral, could not function in a state of anarchy; it is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government.

Rand was no anarchist, libertarians are not anarchists, many objectivists including Rand herself were opposed to libertarians. Libertarians are not right wing.

@athousandyoung said
In the USA trespassers can get the death penalty. The owner can shoot them. It has to do with the right to bear arms and protecting property.

A couple of the trespassers were killed. The cops were throwing potentially lethal flash bangs into crowds of people. Absolutely not what they were designed for for exactly the reason they are potentially lethal.

@wajoma said
Rand was no anarchist, libertarians are not anarchists, many objectivists including Rand herself were opposed to libertarians. Libertarians are not right wing.

But you don't seem to think the government was in the right here even though it did exactly what Rand says it should have done.

@wajoma said
A couple of the trespassers were killed.

The rest were lucky they weren't killed but only sent to prison for a few decades.

@wajoma said
A couple of the trespassers were killed. The cops were throwing potentially lethal flash bangs into crowds of people. Absolutely not what they were designed for for exactly the reason they are potentially lethal.

That's exactly what flashbangs are designed to do. Breaking glass is also "potentially lethal".

@athousandyoung said
But you don't seem to think the government was in the right here even though it did exactly what Rand says it should have done.

All goobermints are not right all of the time, in fact they have a long and consistent record of doing more harm to civilians and causing more death of civilians than any other major cause.

Thanks for your input.

@athousandyoung said
That's exactly what flashbangs are designed to do. Breaking glass is also "potentially lethal".

ATY plays too many vid games.

@wajoma said
ATY plays too many vid games.

Wajoma is illogical and likes to use ad-hominems when he cannot defend his position legitimately.

@athousandyoung said
Wajoma is illogical and likes to use ad-hominems when he cannot defend his position legitimately.

What's the point, flashbangs are not to be thrown into crowds, they are potentially lethal, that is not their intended use, and the cops doing so escalated the situation exponentially, and they killed a man.

You base your flash bang experience on playing counterstrike, or what's the other one, who cares, where the player experiences some blurred vision and ringing ears effect.

So it's a he says, she says situation.

@wajoma said
What's the point, flashbangs are not to be thrown into crowds, they are potentially lethal, that is not their intended use, and the cops doing so escalated the situation exponentially, and they killed a man.

You base your flash bang experience on playing counterstrike, or what's the other one, who cares, where the player experiences some blurred vision and ringing ears effect.

So it's a he says, she says situation.

I've never played counterstrike. Is there a "suppress rioting mob" scenario in that game?

Tell me about your experience designing stun grenades. I bet you did a lot of that in your welder's shop.

So it's a he says, she says situation.

No, this is why we reference outside sources in debates to support our arguments. Your attempt to introduce anecdotal fallacies based on individual experience is noted.

https://jpeoaa.army.mil/Project-Offices/PM-CCS/Organizations/PdD-Combat-Armaments-and-Protection-Systems/Products/Protection-Systems/Protection-Systems-Menus/

The Stun Hand Grenade is a non-fragmentation, non-lethal “flash and bang” grenade. It has been successfully deployed in many situations by Special Reaction Teams to confuse, disorient or momentarily distract a potential threat in forced entry scenarios as well as selected MOUT or crowd control operations.

@athousandyoung said

So it's a he says, she says situation.

No, this is why we reference outside sources in debates to support our arguments. Your attempt to introduce anecdotal fallacies based on individual experience is noted.

https://jpeoaa.army.mil/Project-Offices/PM-CCS/Organizations/PdD-Combat-Armaments-and-Protection-Systems/Products/Protection-Systems/P ...[text shortened]... hreat in forced entry scenarios as well as selected MOUT or crowd control operations.

"thrown into crowds' or GTFO

@wajoma said
All goobermints are not right all of the time, in fact they have a long and consistent record of doing more harm to civilians and causing more death of civilians than any other major cause.

Thanks for your input.

And yet it is the job of the government to arbitrate disputes according to Ayn Rand.

Do you disagree with her on that?

@wajoma said
"thrown into crowds' or GTFO

They could have just shot the trespassers. That's how things work in the USA. They were lucky more of them weren't killed.

It reminds me of all the bloodthirsty right wingers who fantasize about using fully automatic shotguns to mow down trespassing mobs. I see it all the time on forums.

@wajoma said
Rand was no anarchist, libertarians are not anarchists, many objectivists including Rand herself were opposed to libertarians. Libertarians are not right wing.

I didn't say anything about libertarians, Objectivists, anarchists or right wingers in that post.