12 Jan 23
@averagejoe1 saidYeah that explains the first four shots. Maybe some or all of the last four though that's highly questionable.
I agree. One must consider the adrenalin, the element of surprise, the element of self-preservation, a lot of human split second stuff in a situation you have NEVER been in
It does not justify shooting an incapacitated man face down on the ground not moving with eight bullets in his back in the back of the head at point blank range AFTER you have disarmed him.
12 Jan 23
@athousandyoung saidJesus, if he was holding the robber's gun, I don't see how he can argue the threat still existed which is a requirement for self-defense.
That is unfortunate as it seems to be the only unedited version available. Twitter makes you sign in to watch it and youtube news stations edit out the relevant part.
Here's how it went down:
As the clip begins (we're looking down from the ceiling camera in the corner aimed at the door) there's one man with a pistol (turns out it was a BB gun, not a real gun) sh ...[text shortened]... while holding the burglar's gun and the burglar face down not moving with eight bullets in his back.
@athousandyoung saidI guess we had to be there. Maybe the shooter has a memory of a cretin that he just can't get over and this was his moment! One may have grabbed his wife's handbag on 5th Avenue and he couldn't draw fast enough!
Yeah that explains the first four shots. Maybe some or all of the last four though that's highly questionable.
It does not justify shooting an incapacitated man face down on the ground not moving with eight bullets in his back in the back of the head at point blank range AFTER you have disarmed him.
And forget the self-defense nonsense, the victims had a right to self defense, to defend themselves, and our shooter obliged. A 'transfer of responsibility.' I like that, made it up myself. I will suggest to a law professor to have a lecture on it!!
@no1marauder saidI get your point, but remember minds are racing, it is happening split second timing, acting purely on instinct, etc etc. Like animals in the woods, not a lot of thinking going on. "Now let me see, I will shoot him now, let me see, should I wait for him to turn around, and ....how many times, and should I aim at his groin or knee??"
Jesus, if he was holding the robber's gun, I don't see how he can argue the threat still existed which is a requirement for self-defense.
If it were me, I wouldn't give it a moment's thought, except that I might think, 'Oh dear, I hate to get blood on this Taqueria floor where a little Mexican (citizen) is trying to run a business ".
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@averagejoe1 saidThe striker-fired trigger on the EC9 is state of the art, very short pull, and it's almost too light in my view, unless you're an experienced handgunner.
I am in the market for my wife, she needs an easier pull..Thx
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@no1marauder saidWhere did you get the insane idea that he was holding the robber's gun?
Jesus, if he was holding the robber's gun, I don't see how he can argue the threat still existed which is a requirement for self-defense.
He clearly pulls his own gun out and shoots him.
Man, you are stupid, did you even watch the video?
12 Jan 23
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@jj-adams saidIts in the video dumbass before the ninth shot. There is more video online showing him throwing it at the wall shouting "It's a TOY!!!" after that clip ends.
Where did you get the insane idea that he was holding the robber's gun?
He clearly pulls his own gun out and shoots him.
Man, you are stupid, did you even watch the video?
0:16 you see him bend down and get the gun before the final shot.
@jj-adams saidI think Marauder was alluding to the Riderhouse like y'all followed like cats after tuna fish. I was amazed at the interest. I think he is comparing the two shootings, where, in fact, there is no comparison . victim grabbed the barrel or some such, I have not catalogued that one I my brain!!!! Geez
Where did you get the insane idea that he was holding the robber's gun?
He clearly pulls his own gun out and shoots him.
Man, you are stupid, did you even watch the video?
13 Jan 23
@jj-adams saidThe way you described it he had already been shot in the back, absolutely no need or excuse for the coup de gras.
Sadly, he will most likely be charged and sent to prison.
Would you rather the nightmare creature that robbed the place be allowed to escape so he could keep doing it?
He was a convicted murderer that got out early, a lot of future victims were saved when he got stopped.
Have you guys ever heard of using a gun to incapacitate someone, that was a rhetorical question.
@jj-adams saidThere must be some allowance for a heat of the moment reaction, I think it's reasonable for a person to lose their temper in a situation where their own life has just been threatened. The robber was the initiator. No one else is to blame.
Sadly, he will most likely be charged and sent to prison.
Would you rather the nightmare creature that robbed the place be allowed to escape so he could keep doing it?
He was a convicted murderer that got out early, a lot of future victims were saved when he got stopped.
The very worst outcome should be 10 hours picking up trash beside the road, with or with out his gun on him, his choice. The very best outcome, the matter just goes away, and he's got a good bar story and the next time it happens he might have a little more cool and save a couple of rounds to let off at the range.
13 Jan 23
@jj-adams saidso? maybe he was into anime or Eminem. Maybe he loved ice cream.
Do you really think he wasn't 100% behind BLM?
This is about you. You don't like BLM so you say BLM robber. As if the BLM movement sanctioned him robbing that place.
Nobody is impressed by this. You've been pushing the narrative that BLM loots and pillages, like it is a roaming horde of orcs. What's one more random mention of BLM. You have an obsession, buddy. It's not healthy.
13 Jan 23
@wajoma saidAnd another blood thirsty fascist shares his neurosis with the world.
There must be some allowance for a heat of the moment reaction, I think it's reasonable for a person to lose their temper in a situation where their own life has just been threatened. The robber was the initiator. No one else is to blame.
The very worst outcome should be 10 hours picking up trash beside the road, with or with out his gun on him, his choice. The very bes ...[text shortened]... ime it happens he might have a little more cool and save a couple of rounds to let off at the range.
If you shoot a an incapacitated human being in the head because your angry or frightened you need to be in jail or some kind of state facility until your safe to let back into the community
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@kevcvs57 saidHeat......of......the......moment.
And another blood thirsty fascist shares his neurosis with the world.
If you shoot a an incapacitated human being in the head because your angry or frightened you need to be in jail or some kind of state facility until your safe to let back into the community
I wish it didn't happen, I take no pleasure in it, but people wandering around robbing ordinary folk need to know that is a high risk activity which is as it should be.
kevs having a rant from the comfort of his armchair, has been watching too many action fantasies, has never had his life threatened and what that can do to the temperament of the most placid person. More adrenalin than skydiving plus the hate for the person that has created that situation = unpredictable outcomes.