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@whodey
WHAT? You are calling your god STUPID? WOW. You know, the other stupid part, of many of course, is how he told us the numbers will be 15 then zero and then we will have done a great job.

And 'Anyone who wants testing will get testing'. Sure, and pigs will fly.

That is just the BEGINNING of stupid.

So now he says 'a lot of people are going to die' when the numbers had already reached 3000 in the US alone. Brilliant stuff.

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@no1marauder said
Why would infection rates be the same? The goal of shutting down certain businesses is to prevent the spread of the virus by minimizing contact between persons; are you suggesting this isn't a sound strategy?
Unless the virus dies out this year then those uninfected are at risk next year
and the year after. Minimising contact is only delaying infection for most.
The strategy is sound to enable hospitals to cope and keep fatalities low.

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@whodey said
Now put Sweden in the US.

Would they not feel compelled to behave like all the other states? Yes they would.

Look at WVU. They have a very low infection rate. Should they be treated the same as the rest of the states?

This is why I advocate states deciding their own medical care issues, much like individual states in Europe without hindrance from the EU.
“This is why I advocate states deciding their own medical care issues, much like individual states in Europe without hindrance from the EU.”

That could work if your ok with manned borders between states and severe travel restrictions between them as they have in Europe just now, and the positive is that individual state governments would have to take responsibility for the good or bad outcomes that resulted from their individual tactics.

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@wolfgang59 said
Unless the virus dies out this year then those uninfected are at risk next year
and the year after. Minimising contact is only delaying infection for most.
The strategy is sound to enable hospitals to cope and keep fatalities low.
There's a reasonably high possibility that there will be a vaccine next year.

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@wolfgang59 said
Unless the virus dies out this year then those uninfected are at risk next year
and the year after. Minimising contact is only delaying infection for most.
The strategy is sound to enable hospitals to cope and keep fatalities low.
Flatten the curve but don't stomp it into the ground, that only prolongs the pain with the added disadvantage of crashing the economy worse than what they've done already.

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@wajoma said
Flatten the curve but don't stomp it into the ground, that only prolongs the pain with the added disadvantage of crashing the economy worse than what they've done already.
The only way to get the economy back to anything approaching "normal" is to break the back of the pandemic. As long as tens of thousands are being infected every day, most people are not going to act in their usual manner, no matter what the government did.

It is a fallacy that you have to choose between the economy and stopping the spread of the virus; only by doing the latter can you bring the former back to its pre-pandemic state. In the meantime, society will have to provide for those adversely impacted by this natural disaster as it routinely does for those impacted by hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. etc. etc.

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@no1marauder said
There's a reasonably high possibility that there will be a vaccine next year.
I thought June 2021 was a reasonably optimistic date for a generally available vaccine.
Hopefully sooner.

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@no1marauder said
There's a reasonably high possibility that there will be a vaccine next year.
There's a team in Oxford who are hopeful about being able to roll out a vaccine by September [1], and I believe there's also a group in China who are in the Phase I stage of testing. There's almost certainly more.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52329659

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Sweden had its highest total of daily deaths so far: 185.

Denmark had 6 and Norway 1.

There was a big spike in Finland for some reason: 43 where they had never had more than 8. I'm wondering if that was some type of adjustment to prior data. If any Finns want to help out, here's their official page (I think): https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/d40b2aaf08be4b9c8ec38de30b714f26

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/finland/

At any rate, Sweden continues to pile up deaths.

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