Peace

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
I could reply at the risk of others possibly viewing us as tautologous. lol

How ya been anyway? Good I hope.

God, I miss our exchange of insults. 😞

Originally posted by sasquatch672
Not to worry, Pinky, you transvestite, you eunoch, I'm still here. Still dressing as a man? Come on out and admit the truth - you do not actually have male reproductive organs. No balls. Admit it. Admit that it's a genetic trait shared by all of your countrymen for which the rest of the world can be thankful.

I didn't mean 4th grade insults.

Sorry, sasquatch.

Originally posted by sasquatch672
But they're the most fun! Come on. What are you going to insult somebody over? "Your understanding of Shakespeare's use of Iambic tetrameter to convey the state of mind of his characters is com-PLETE-ly inadequate! HAAAA hahahaha!"

Like that? Is that an adequately intellectual insult for you, you mind-numbing, gel-in-the-hair, celebrity-obsessed girlie-man?

No. Please leave the grown-ups alone and go play with your GI Joe.

Originally posted by sasquatch672
See what a prick you are? Why don't you see what an unlovable prick you are?

God. The nerve of some people.

Besides, I'm always either Cobra Commander or Destro.

Barbie, Schmarbie. Just don't leave them bending over like the last time.

Originally posted by Sambo69
I see what you're saying. What form should the internal agitation take ?

Whatever suits the particular place, but the object is to build the peace movement and ensure that the representatives represent the views of the people.

You need to have representatives who either:

a) support the peace movement out of political principal - ie they support the peace movement;

or
b) support the peace movement out of political expediency - they fear they will lose their position because of the infuence of the peace movement.

Build the peace mvement through agitating and educating. Organise in whatever way is appropriate to your local circumstances - form a party, form a group within an existing party, whatever suits - but organise.

Originally posted by Sambo69
Is the way to achieve peace through ...

Effort
Education
Understanding
Negotiation
Compromise
Acceptance
Forgiving
Patience ?

Can you provide an alternative list ?

Communicate.
B.

Originally posted by Redmike
Whatever suits the particular place, but the object is to build the peace movement and ensure that the representatives represent the views of the people.

You need to have representatives who either:

a) support the peace movement out of political principal - ie they support the peace movement;

or
b) support the peace movement out of political expedi ...[text shortened]... cumstances - form a party, form a group within an existing party, whatever suits - but organise.

Thanks. I agee.

It seems that we need to organise to have a visible and ongoing stand for peace that counters policies based on greed.

My concerns are:

- Such organisations are dismissed as being hippy, bludgers, greenies, etc
- How do such organisations help educate people in other countries

Assuming the organisations are in place, would they promote the list in the opening post or some other list ?

Originally posted by Sambo69
Thanks. I agee.

It seems that we need to organise to have a visible and ongoing stand for peace that counters policies based on greed.

My concerns are:

- Such organisations are dismissed as being hippy, bludgers, greenies, etc
- How do such organisations help educate people in other countries

Assuming the organisations are in place, would they promote the list in the opening post or some other list ?

Re your concerns. That's where the education part comes in. Once enough people understand, they're less likely to ridicule. And, once you organise, you build media contacts, so they become more sympathetic.

I would say that these organisations shouldn't set out to educate people in other countries, other than by example. You cannot, IMO, have a peace movement imposed on or imported into a country. It has to grow from within.

Assuming these organisations are in place, and you then have a political establishment which is responsive to the peace movement, then the list in your first post would seem reasonable . Again, though, each part of the world might have different cultural outlooks, so priorities might be different - you can't impose a list of values either.

Originally posted by Redmike
They're all really ongoing processes, which everyone interested in peace should be doing.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is a political question - the way to progress to peace is a political process.

You need to agitate to get people interested in the issue, you need to educate people so that they understand the issue and you need to organise politically to change things as you want.

When you say "agitate" I think what you are saying is to motivate people to participate in the political process. Am I right?

Originally posted by CrazyLilTing
When you say "agitate" I think what you are saying is to motivate people to participate in the political process. Am I right?

Yes, in this context.

Originally posted by Redmike
Re your concerns. That's where the education part comes in. Once enough people understand, they're less likely to ridicule. And, once you organise, you build media contacts, so they become more sympathetic.

I would say that these organisations shouldn't set out to educate people in other countries, other than by example. You cannot, IMO, have a peace move ...[text shortened]... tural outlooks, so priorities might be different - you can't impose a list of values either.

I undersnad and you have encouraged me to join my local peace organisation (though I'm about to help manage the state wilderness society).

It could help to remind people in other countries about the principals of peace, such as those in my opening post. Do you agree ?

Excuse my ignorance but what does "IMO" mean ?

Originally posted by Sambo69
I undersnad and you have encouraged me to join my local peace organisation (though I'm about to help manage the state wilderness society).

It could help to remind people in other countries about the principals of peace, such as those in my opening post. Do you agree ?

Excuse my ignorance but what does "IMO" mean ?

Yes, I agree that a movement in one country can help with general principles, on any issue. But I'm wary of imposing things from one country to another - an effective movement for any sort of social change has to be home-grown. Nobody knows how to do things in your country better than people from your country, and this applies to any sort of political movement. The days when one country would dictate to other countries how a political movement should work and should operate are long gone (I'm thinking of the USSR and the communist parties around the world - if they didn't behave 'properly' they were disowned).

If that means the peace movement in your country looks and behaves a bit different to the peace movement in mine, then we all have to accept that this is ok.

IMO = In my opinion.