07 Apr 13
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Originally posted by Metal BrainThe US forces are there to prevent the North Koreans from annexing the South Koreans under their totalitarian rule by force. Since the cease fire this has remained a real and eminent threat. This isn't some made up propaganda. If NK is allowed to invade and essentially enslave the South Koreans then all that blood spilled in the Korean War was for nothing.
I must admit I have not read any of the links I posted and cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information on them. I am only going by memory of the Bush push for war with Iraq. I was very much opposed to that war from the beginning and I recalled the attempted bribery issue from long ago.
I realize none of the links are from Reuters or the NY Times been interesting. I think this has nearly run it's course though. Not much more to debate.
If you'd like a peek into life inside North Korea take a look at the links I provided (if you have Netflix).
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70264533?strkid=434566909_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70264533
http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70061970&trkid=496682#MovieId=70045191
There are a lot more documentaries that can be found on Netflix, and whether it changes your mind or not I highly recommend you watch some of them.
The joint exercises between US forces and ROK forces is vital for training and readiness but also to let the North Koreans know that any attempts to invade SK will be met with overwhelming force. Sans a few very limited skirmishes, it has kept the peace for 60 years.
07 Apr 13
Originally posted by normbenignIn what way? The bulk of the observable tactics we employ are actually unclassified.
It is interesting that the issue of classified (secret) tactical information, and doing exercises right under the nose of a projected enemy seem to be in direct conflict.
http://armyrotc.msu.edu/resources/FM7-1BattleFocusedTraining.pdf
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI already acknowledged North Korea has a horrible human rights record.
The US forces are there to prevent the North Koreans from annexing the South Koreans under their totalitarian rule by force. Since the cease fire this has remained a real and eminent threat. This isn't some made up propaganda. If NK is allowed to invade and essentially enslave the South Koreans then all that blood spilled in the Korean War was for ...[text shortened]... th overwhelming force. Sans a few very limited skirmishes, it has kept the peace for 60 years.
I think you have it backwards. North Korea thinks the USA and their colony puppet South Korea wants to invade the DPRK. The DPRK is no match against the USA and South Korea has an economy 40 times stronger than North Korea. You bought into ridiculous propaganda.
Communism is plagued with economic inefficiencies. That is why the USSR collapsed under the strain of an arms race combined with sanctions. Capitalism is the most efficient of all economies. The USA took advantage of this reality and outspent the USSR.
My theory is that the USA is planning to do the same thing to North Korea. Obama is really doing the provoking here to purposely get bellicose rhetoric. That gives the excuse for South Korea to start an arms race. The sanctions are already in place. The DPRK is so hopelessly inefficient it will crumble easily.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by Metal BrainSouth Korea wants to invade North Korea? What evidence do you have of this? In contrast North Korea is and has always been very open about believing the southern region and its people belong to them.
I already acknowledged North Korea has a horrible human rights record.
I think you have it backwards. North Korea thinks the USA and their colony puppet South Korea wants to invade the DPRK. The DPRK is no match against the USA and South Korea has an economy 40 times stronger than North Korea. You bought into ridiculous propaganda.
Communism is pla ...[text shortened]... he sanctions are already in place. The DPRK is so hopelessly inefficient it will crumble easily.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperBush named North Korea in his "Axis of Evil" speech. David Frum actually wrote it, but I'm sure it brought fears of invasion from the USA.
South Korea wants to invade North Korea? What evidence do you have of this? In contrast North Korea is and has always been very open about believing the southern region and its people belong to them.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by Metal BrainYour evidence that South Korea wants to invade North Korea is that our last president called them and other countries evil?
Bush named North Korea in his "Axis of Evil" speech. David Frum actually wrote it, but I'm sure it brought fears of invasion from the USA.
08 Apr 13
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperIran, Iraq and North Korea were the three countries named in that speech. Iraq was already invaded. We all know that the same kind of propaganda is being used to justify military action in Iran at some point in the future. Why wouldn't North Korea think this is the USA's hit list for invasion?
Your evidence that South Korea wants to invade North Korea is that our last president called them and other countries evil?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
I never said South Korea would go it alone.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperOn the one side we say practice is vital to our success, but now you say that the tactics practiced are old non classified ones.
In what way? The bulk of the observable tactics we employ are actually unclassified.
http://armyrotc.msu.edu/resources/FM7-1BattleFocusedTraining.pdf
If I were a candidate for the World Chess Championship, in the candidate's tournament, I doubt I would unveil my latest "discoveries" in opening theory before the actual championship match. Practice of them would probably be in secret with my seconds.
Somehow the notion of war games under the nose of the enemy just seems provocative and not very practical.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by normbenignFischer practiced a lot of openings that were in the MCO
On the one side we say practice is vital to our success, but now you say that the tactics practiced are old non classified ones.
If I were a candidate for the World Chess Championship, in the candidate's tournament, I doubt I would unveil my latest "discoveries" in opening theory before the actual championship match. Practice of them would probably be ...[text shortened]... otion of war games under the nose of the enemy just seems provocative and not very practical.
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by Metal BrainSo your evidence that South Korea wants to invade North Korea is that the previous President called them and Iraq evil, and that he invaded Iraq?
Iran, Iraq and North Korea were the three countries named in that speech. Iraq was already invaded. We all know that the same kind of propaganda is being used to justify military action in Iran at some point in the future. Why wouldn't North Korea think this is the USA's hit list for invasion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
I never said South Korea would go it alone.
Are we talking about the former President of the US or the current President of South Korea?
How can you possibly not see the absurdity in your argument?
08 Apr 13
Originally posted by normbenignWhat do you mean by "but now"?
On the one side we say practice is vital to our success, but now you say that the tactics practiced are old non classified ones.
If I were a candidate for the World Chess Championship, in the candidate's tournament, I doubt I would unveil my latest "discoveries" in opening theory before the actual championship match. Practice of them would probably be ...[text shortened]... otion of war games under the nose of the enemy just seems provocative and not very practical.
First of all I said most observable tactics are non-classified, much of which isn't necessarily old.
Are you actually trying to suggest training exercises are not a vital component of readiness?