08 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI am not against abortion myself. I think women should be allowed to decide what to do in the 1st trimester of pregnancy. I have a problem when people get multiple abortions like 7 or 8 like they can't figure contraception out. Frequently these individuals receive some type of access medical care and aren't paying anything for it.
Cut the crap. In the abortion thread, you already said you think abortion is murder, so stop pretending this as anything to do with the well-being of pregnant teenagers. It's another attempt to throw a roadblock in the way of the right of choice in procreative matters. This is esp. so since the courts threw out a parental CONSENT law in California.
E ...[text shortened]... f 2005-APR. 30 states have such laws in place.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pare.htm
I am a medical doctor and I would be concerned about 14 year olds deciding on abortions without a adult guardian's assistance. Marauders overview is well stated, as this is the case from state to state wrpt std's, drugs, contraception; however, even though an abortion is a relatively minor surgical procedure, still there is room for error, and significant comprimise in the patients health, and well being. The uteris can be perforated for example. I would be concerned about a 14 year old's ability to chose an adequate physician. There are a lot of quacks out there.
08 Nov 05
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Originally posted by newdad27Being insulted by a nutjob like you is a badge of honor. You're full of s**t; you're against abortion, period and want to throw as many roadblocks on it as possible while working eventually to ban it. Stop lying.
i guess i can throw you in with the other loons in Ca that would vote this down. People like you just want abortion on demand, anytime for any reason. This isn't a roe v wade issue, this is a parental rights issue, nice try in spinning the issue. A 15 yr old should not be able to go get an abortion at 8.5 months (or any other time) because she is getti ...[text shortened]... what she is going through. The fact that you think she should be able to says plenty about you.
15 yr olds or anybody else can't get an abortion at 8.5 months unless their life is in danger which even your stupid proposition wouldn't change. Guess you're tooooooooo much of a moron to figure that out. It's none of the state's business whether a teenager tells their parents or not whether she's going to have an abortion; most do but that's her concern, not the government's. Parents don't have any absolute rights over their kids; if they want to own something they should buy a goldfish. Even a teenager has a fundamental right to procreate or not; and whether she wants to inform others about her decision is her choice, not the State's. Plus this law would infringe on the patient-physician relationship by forcing the DOCTOR to inform the parents IF he didn't have a written form signed by the parents saying they were notified.
It's all just more Orwellian, right-wing infringement of our basic right to personal liberty and privacy, rights that existed before there were countries. The fact you support it speaks volumes about your anti-American views towards the fundamental rights our forefathers fought and died for.
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Originally posted by no1marauderIf teenagers have the right to procreate, why is under-age sex illegal?
Being insulted by a nutjob like you is a badge of honor. You're full of s**t; you're against abortion, period and want to throw as many roadblocks on it as possible while working eventually to ban it. Stop lying.
15 yr olds or anybody else can't get an abortion at 8.5 months unless their life is in danger which even your stupid proposition w ...[text shortened]... out your anti-American views towards the fundamental rights our forefathers fought and died for.
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerOh weird, is under-age sex illeagl?! I thought it was only illegal if one of the participants was over-age. So two sixteen year olds cannot legally have sex?
If teenagers have the right to procreate, why is under-age sex illegal?
Hmm...I wonder what the statute of limitations is on this. It has been 13 years for me but perhaps I should just turn myself in now. 😉
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08 Nov 05
Originally posted by jammeramen brother! Although death is highly unlikely, sterility, adhesions(intraperitoneal scar tissue), infection is not that uncommon. Oh the law suits would come all right. Also any of us who have had experience raising a teenager is well aware that the Universe does a paridigm shift for them at least once a week. i would not leave that decision to any but the most mature teenagers out there. since most mature teenagers wouldn't get themselves in that kind of a jam, it would probably be a rare event that one was mature enough to make that decision....
What happens when a 15 yr old dies on the operating table?
The same people who now clamor for the girls "rights" start up with the law suits on behalf of her parents.
I'm curious, Do any of you have a 14 yr old daughter, sister or friend? If so, you should understand the problem.
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by jammerI raised a daughter; there is no problem. If you have a good relationship with your kid, she'll tell you like most teenagers do tell their parents when they're pregnant. The State can't legislate an adequate parent-child relationship; either you have it or you don't by your own efforts. This is simply another anti-abortion smokescreen.
What happens when a 15 yr old dies on the operating table?
The same people who now clamor for the girls "rights" start up with the law suits on behalf of her parents.
I'm curious, Do any of you have a 14 yr old daughter, sister or friend? If so, you should understand the problem.
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by helpmespockBut they're mature enough to raise a child they don't want to, right??
amen brother! Although death is highly unlikely, sterility, adhesions(intraperitoneal scar tissue), infection is not that uncommon. Oh the law suits would come all right. Also any of us who have had experience raising a teenager is well aware that the Universe does a paridigm shift for them at least once a week. i would not leave that decision to any but ...[text shortened]... of a jam, it would probably be a rare event that one was mature enough to make that decision....
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderit has nothing to do with anti abortion anything, how can notifing a parent be anti abortion? the fact that you think a 12 yr old can have an abortion without having to tell their parents says enough about you. you just want abortion on demand, anytime, anywhere, and anything you think may inhibit that in any what your against; even if the prop. actually doesn't inhibit it. just because a girl has a good relationship with their parent doesn't mean that because they are scared they might go and do something they don't realize will affect them for the rest of their lives. So a year down the road when she is suffering from depression she tells you she had an abortion that you could not help her deal with for the past year because she did not have to tell you about, and was too scared to do so, you can thank people like you with NO common sense.
I raised a daughter; there is no problem. If you have a good relationship with your kid, she'll tell you like most teenagers do tell their parents when they're pregnant. The State can't legislate an adequate parent-child relationship; either you have it or you don't by your own efforts. This is simply another anti-abortion smokescreen.
08 Nov 05
Originally posted by newdad27Life is all about dealing with the consequences of your choices. Sticking the government's nose into every facet of your life is not exercising "common sense". And please stop pretending that this proposition has nothing to do with "anti-abortion"; we've read your comments in the other thread. You are a liar.
it has nothing to do with anti abortion anything, how can notifing a parent be anti abortion? the fact that you think a 12 yr old can have an abortion without having to tell their parents says enough about you. you just want abortion on demand, anytime, anywhere, and anything you think may inhibit that in any what your against; even if the prop. actually ...[text shortened]... tell you about, and was too scared to do so, you can thank people like you with NO common sense.
I have no idea what you mean by abortion on demand; that's like saying someone supports triple bypass surgery on demand. It's a medical procedure. I personally am indifferent to whether anybody does or doesn't get an abortion; it's NOMFB. And it's not yours either.
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Originally posted by no1marauderfyi to U, we are talking about minor children, the govt is sticking there nose into a parent/child relationship and saying you dont have to tell your parents you are going to have a major medical procedure. Govt doesnt tell a child they can have any other surgery without parental NOTIFICATION. I'm really surprised I have to inform you of this, and it's pathetic you would even be debating this issue. Thus, it is obvious that you prefer a government running your life.
Life is all about dealing with the consequences of your choices. Sticking the government's nose into every facet of your life is not exercising "common sense". And please stop pretending that this proposition has nothing to do with "anti-abortion"; we've read your comments in the other thread. You are a liar.
I have no idea what you mean b ...[text shortened]... nt to whether anybody does or doesn't get an abortion; it's NOMFB. And it's not yours either.