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@metal-brain saidI still don't know. My wife doesn't want him to get it and he does want to get it, just to make things even more fun.
Under 18 is at very low risk unless your child has an immune deficiency issue. The fact your child has 1 shot makes it very unlikely that he will get C19 and die from it.
I recommend you not authorize a second shot. It would likely do more harm than good unless he has diabetes, an immunity issue or some other risk factor. My brother has diabetes and was hard hit by it. ...[text shortened]... he had a stroke from it. He has been very weak ever since.
The vaccine does more harm than good.
I think I'm going to wait a week to see if Delta appears to be cresting as it did in GB and Netherlands at around this point. If in 2 weeks it appears that we've maxed out and may be heading down the other side, I think I'll wait. If we're still increasing sharply in 2 weeks, it might be a good idea to get the second shot before school starts.
The public persona I probably trust more than anyone else (after reading dozens for 18 months) is Vinay Prasad, and he's leaning against. I give great weight to his opinion.
11 Aug 21
@sh76 saidI am glad you are in no hurry. I agree with your wife, but you know I am biased against gene vaccines. I don't think he should have been given the first dose. Your son was at very low risk before his first dose. One dose should be more than enough.
I still don't know. My wife doesn't want him to get it and he does want to get it, just to make things even more fun.
I think I'm going to wait a week to see if Delta appears to be cresting as it did in GB and Netherlands at around this point. If in 2 weeks it appears that we've maxed out and may be heading down the other side, I think I'll wait. If we're still increasing sha ...[text shortened]... dozens for 18 months) is Vinay Prasad, and he's leaning against. I give great weight to his opinion.
You are probably skeptical about graphene oxide being in the gene vaccines. Lipids are listed in the ingredients and the graphene is in the lipids.
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN112220919A/en
12 Aug 21
@Metal-Brain
Well if you get Delta and die the gene pool will make a significant increase in average intelligence.
12 Aug 21
@sonhouse saidI already had it. I am immune.
@Metal-Brain
Well if you get Delta and die the gene pool will make a significant increase in average intelligence.
Unlike the vaccinated I cannot get it and spread it to others until another variant comes along that I am not immune to.
12 Aug 21
@sh76 saidWhy in the world would you give "great weight" to the opinion of someone who's specialty is in treating cancers of the blood when making a decision regarding a highly contagious deadly disease?
I still don't know. My wife doesn't want him to get it and he does want to get it, just to make things even more fun.
I think I'm going to wait a week to see if Delta appears to be cresting as it did in GB and Netherlands at around this point. If in 2 weeks it appears that we've maxed out and may be heading down the other side, I think I'll wait. If we're still increasing sha ...[text shortened]... dozens for 18 months) is Vinay Prasad, and he's leaning against. I give great weight to his opinion.
Anyway you don't seem to give "great weight" to his opinions regarding school reopenings:
"For kids to return to school, I support teachers being vaccinated (though this is not essential), the use of indoor masks, capping classroom size at 20, quarantining students if symptomatic cases occur, and distancing between classes."
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/03/kids-dont-need-covid-19-vaccines-to-return-to-school/
Shocking that he wants children "tortured".
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@no1marauder saidI guess you didn't read the part where he is a Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at UCSF. Biostatistics are at the core of setting any sane COVID policy, of course. Anyway, the "great weight" I afford to him is based as much on the content of what he says as on the letters after his name.
Why in the world would you give "great weight" to the opinion of someone who's specialty is in treating cancers of the blood when making a decision regarding a highly contagious deadly disease?
Anyway you don't seem to give "great weight" to his opinions regarding school reopenings:
"For kids to return to school, I support teachers being vaccinated (though this is n ...[text shortened]... kids-dont-need-covid-19-vaccines-to-return-to-school/
Shocking that he wants children "tortured".
His article supporting masks in schools was last winter during the surge.
A few weeks ago, he wrote another article much more skeptical on masks.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/93803
12 Aug 21
@sh76 said"Although vaccination is the best way to prevent Covid-19, universal masking is a close second, and with masking in place, in-school learning is safe and more effective than remote instruction, regardless of community rates of infection."
I guess you didn't read the part where he is a Professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at UCSF. Biostatistics are at the core of setting any sane COVID policy, of course. Anyway, the "great weight" I afford to him is based as much on the content of what he says as on the letters after his name.
His article supporting masks in schools was last winter duri ...[text shortened]... her article much more skeptical on masks.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/93803
https://news.yahoo.com/studied-one-million-students-learned-115945811.html
12 Aug 21
@no1marauder saidI concede that masking is better than "remote instruction" (which is a pollyannish way of saying no school), but that's not saying much.
"Although vaccination is the best way to prevent Covid-19, universal masking is a close second, and with masking in place, in-school learning is safe and more effective than remote instruction, regardless of community rates of infection."
https://news.yahoo.com/studied-one-million-students-learned-115945811.html
From the article: "Because North Carolina had a mask mandate for all K-12 schools, we could not compare masked schools to unmasked schools. To understand the preventive impact masks can have, we looked outside North Carolina for comparisons."
So instead they cherry-picked data points from other places. In other words, they didn't study it and have nothing to add on the question of whether school mask mandates do anything.
The record on mask mandates is very mixed.
I realize you won't trust the source of this paper, but at least the graphs are reliable.
https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf
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@sh76 saidIt's kinda pathetic how you have transformed yourself into a complete shill. Let's continue the quote YOU cherry picked:
I concede that masking is better than "remote instruction" (which is a pollyannish way of saying no school), but that's not saying much.
From the article: "Because North Carolina had a mask mandate for all K-12 schools, we could not compare masked schools to unmasked schools. To understand the preventive impact masks can have, we looked outside North Carolina for comparisons. ...[text shortened]...
https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf
"Data from our research and from studies conducted in Utah, Missouri and Wisconsin shows that school transmission rates of coronavirus were low when schools enforced mask mandates. By contrast, one school in Israel without a mask mandate or proper social distancing protocols reported an outbreak of Covid-19 involving 153 students and 25 staff members.
Recent outbreaks at youth camps in Texas, Illinois and Florida show how quickly Covid-19 can spread among adolescents and adults who are largely unmasked and mostly unvaccinated, with the possibility of spreading into surrounding communities. The potential for this kind of community spread was the reason schools closed their doors in March 2020.
With the evidence now clear that universal masking is linked to lower spread, why not require universal masking? Why seek to gather hundreds of unvaccinated, unmasked individuals in an enclosed space for several hours a day, five days a week?"
It's an excellent question which you haven't rationally answered.
As to your assertion that on-line instruction is like "no school" it seems a lot of educators disagree:
"The Sloan Consortium, based on data collected from over 2,200 U.S. colleges and universities, reports that nearly 3.2 million students took at least one online course during 2005 (a significant increase over the 2.3 million reported in 2004). According to the same report, about two-thirds of the largest institutions have fully online programs.[11] In 2010, more than 6 million students were taking at least one course online.[20] As of 2013, the number of students enrolled in online courses had risen to over 6.7 million.[21]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_degree
Of course, this won't be necessary if reasonable precautions like masking are used.
I'm not going to waste my time with MB-type arguments about masks.
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@no1marauder saidLMAO!!!!
It's kinda pathetic how you have transformed yourself into a pathetic shill. Let's continue the quote YOU cherry picked:
"Data from our research and from studies conducted in Utah, Missouri and Wisconsin shows that school transmission rates of coronavirus were low when schools enforced mask mandates. By contrast, one school in Israel without a mask mandate or proper so ...[text shortened]... autions like masking are used.
I'm not going to waste my time with MB-type arguments about masks.
We're talking about schools - you know, like, elementary schools and you bring an article from college students.
Wow. That's pathetic.
Yeah; a 20 year old taking Western Civ online is exactly the same as a 4 year old in Kindergarten playing blocks on Zoom.
Great arguing there.
Look in the mirror, jerk.
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@no1marauder said===Why seek to gather hundreds of unvaccinated, unmasked individuals in an enclosed space for several hours a day, five days a week?"===
It's kinda pathetic how you have transformed yourself into a pathetic shill. Let's continue the quote YOU cherry picked:
"Data from our research and from studies conducted in Utah, Missouri and Wisconsin shows that school transmission rates of coronavirus were low when schools enforced mask mandates. By contrast, one school in Israel without a mask mandate or proper so ...[text shortened]... autions like masking are used.
I'm not going to waste my time with MB-type arguments about masks.
I get that you're not a parent (no great shock), but no parent would ask why NOT mask kids all day.
12 Aug 21
@sh76 saidThe only reason people like you whined about virtual instruction was because it deprived your spoiled, yuppie asses of free baby sitting services.
LMAO!!!!
We're talking about schools - you know, like, elementary schools and you bring an article from college students.
Wow. That's pathetic.
Yeah; a 20 year old taking Western Civ online is exactly the same as a 4 year old in Kindergarten playing blocks on Zoom.
Great arguing there.
Look in the mirror, jerk.
4 year olds? Raise your own kids rather than rely on the State to do it for you.
12 Aug 21
@sh76 saidA false personal attack? You're getting more like Eldy, Mott and the rest every day.
===Why seek to gather hundreds of unvaccinated, unmasked individuals in an enclosed space for several hours a day, five days a week?"===
I get that you're not a parent (no great shock), but no parent would ask why NOT mask kids all day.
Still no answer though. Here's an article outlining how millions of kids were brutally "tortured" by having to wear masks to school last year: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53892357
Maybe your kids are too spoiled rotten to comply with simple health measures that save lives but most seem OK with it.
13 Aug 21
@no1marauder saidWearing masks does NOT save lives. When former Surgeon General Jerome Adams said wearing masks does more harm than good he referred to the scientific study that concluded that.
A false personal attack? You're getting more like Eldy, Mott and the rest every day.
Still no answer though. Here's an article outlining how millions of kids were brutally "tortured" by having to wear masks to school last year: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53892357
Maybe your kids are too spoiled rotten to comply with simple health measures that save lives but most seem OK with it.
When Fauci, Adams and Redfield all changed their story claiming the science changed about masks they didn't refer to any scientific studies to prove they were telling the truth this time.
Where is the study? Specifically the study proving the other study was wrong about these specific assertions:
1. People touch their face masks with their hands too often.
2. Wearing a face mask gives people a false sense of security so they do not socially distance and wash hands as much.