07 Sep 22
@shavixmir saidIt's foreign-made intolerance practiced by mostly brown people. Trumpers prefer their hates to be "made in America" by good ol' boys in white robes.
Pray tell us! What do you find so vexxing about it?
07 Sep 22
@soothfast saidThat could be it.
It's foreign-made intolerance practiced by mostly brown people. Trumpers prefer their hates to be "made in America" by good ol' boys in white robes.
I mean, for the rest they seem just as fundamentalist to me.
07 Sep 22
@earl-of-trumps saidThey do what they do in the name of god, just like the majority on the scotus and the activists that put them there.
Say what you want. I am only talking as a layman. Their actions speak for themselves, no religion to hide behind.
If your worried about living in an extremist theocracy you might want to keep an eye on the GOP, sharia is the least of your problems.
@earl-of-trumps saidOn the contrary most liberals here haven’t left any doubt about their solidarity with the lgbtq+ community it’s the right wingers here who are secretly rubbing their hands together at the thought of executing gay people whilst using it as a vehicle for their islamaphobia.
There is that aspect of it all where we see no liberal in here that bristles at the Muslim murders. I kinda suspected
it would be that way, even if they are systemically killing a politically protected species.
Three liberals respond... not ONE would denounce the Iranian Muslim killings of gays.
amazing, huh?
Bit of a ‘have your cake and eat it’ scenario for the ultra right wing illiberal’s here.
@shavixmir saidI am not saying Libs *support* sharia law, I am saying that they are unable to speak out against it.
Let me ask you this: how on Earth could a liberal ever support Sharia law?
And what part of Sharia law do conservative Christians disagree with?
That religion has a place in politics? The death penalty? The anti-abortion stance? The decreased value of women in society? The anti-gay stance in it? The judgemental nature towards people who aren’t from the same culture or ethnic group?
Pray tell us! What do you find so vexxing about it?
And I find *that*, vexing.
08 Sep 22
@soothfast saidSo, in other words, you are amazing.
What's amazing is you've tipped your hand and shown that the cards you hope to play are precisely those I predicted. Congratulations, you're a deterministic algorithm!
congratulations.
08 Sep 22
@soothfast saidAhhhhh, so the racist in you finally surfaces.
It's foreign-made intolerance practiced by mostly brown people. Trumpers prefer their hates to be "made in America" by good ol' boys in white robes.
It's crystal clear that racist liberals give it all a pass because it is brown foreigners doing the killing.
Got it!
@earl-of-trumps saidLibs do speak out about it.
I am not saying Libs *support* sharia law, I am saying that they are unable to speak out against it.
And I find *that*, vexing.
What the hell are you jibbering on about?
How can someone like me (an atheist communist) not be opposed to such utter religious nonsense?
I find your generalising, racism and stupidity vexxing.
And your unwillingness to comprehend just how wrong you are about nearly everything.
@earl-of-trumps saidWhy is it necessary to ban Sharia law (whatever that even means)? Why can't we just ban the bad stuff?
"If I were king of America..." - right. You've heard me express my complete contempt for Sharia Law
and would in fact ban such practitioners in the US. Here's one very good reason why.
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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-716282
Iran sentences two gay rights activists to death
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What do these people do, run a gay-o-meter on people to catch them or something? unbelievable.
For example, if you'd like agreement that we should ban executing people for being gay in the US, I'm okay with that.
@sh76 saidHere's a partial list of "the bad stuff".
Why is it necessary to ban Sharia law (whatever that even means)? Why can't we just ban the bad stuff?
For example, if you'd like agreement that we should ban executing people for being gay in the US, I'm okay with that.
Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia"😉.
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
08 Sep 22
@jj-adams saidAs usual a whole crock of faecal matter, showing you know absolutely nothing about what you're jibbering about.
Here's a partial list of "the bad stuff".
Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is pun ...[text shortened]... er husband or relative.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
There are various judicial schools in Islam, think Hanafi, Shafiʽi, Hanbali, etc.
You'll have heard of the Hanbali school, because that's where Wahhabism (Saudi Arabia, Taliban) comes from.
And each judicial school leans more towards one Haddith than another. And each school interprets (that is basically the Haddith) the Koran differently.
Each school has Sharia (law).
In other words, Sharia law isn't one set of rules. It's different everywhere in the world. And most don't have death penalties for denying the Quran, for example.
@shavixmir saidAs usual you simply deny what they are doing because it doesn't fit your narrative.
As usual a whole crock of faecal matter, showing you know absolutely nothing about what you're jibbering about.
There are various judicial schools in Islam, think Hanafi, Shafiʽi, Hanbali, etc.
You'll have heard of the Hanbali school, because that's where Wahhabism (Saudi Arabia, Taliban) comes from.
And each judicial school leans more towards one Haddith than an ...[text shortened]... ent everywhere in the world. And most don't have death penalties for denying the Quran, for example.
Saudi Arabia executes women on a daily basis.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-women-beheaded-in-street-corpses-dangling-from-cranes/news-story/e9b9a2a9f158285818106049e922aff1
Some poor guy in Iraq was doing magic tricks and they chopped off his head:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/663632/ISIS-beheads-STREET-MAGICIAN-in-Sharia-law-crackdown-on-dark-arts
@jj-adams saidBook 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251 does not say what you claim it says.
Here's a partial list of "the bad stuff".
Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is pun ...[text shortened]... er husband or relative.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
08 Sep 22
@jj-adams saidNo.
As usual you simply deny what they are doing because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Saudi Arabia executes women on a daily basis.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-women-beheaded-in-street-corpses-dangling-from-cranes/news-story/e9b9a2a9f158285818106049e922aff1
Some poor guy in Iraq was doing magic tricks and they chopped off his head:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/663632/ISIS-beheads-STREET-MAGICIAN-in-Sharia-law-crackdown-on-dark-arts
I am not denying Saudi behaviour or that it stems from a version of Sharia law.
I’m just pointing out you know nothing about it and that you seem to think that sharia is a single thing.