Socialism vs Economic Freedom

@shallow-blue said
I don't need a link. I live here.

@wajoma said
Not socialsim.

And if it were so great why not enforce it in Cambodia or the Philippines? Because the great conditions come at a cost that they cannot afford.

As for 5 weeks vacation and x hours a week, all good so long as people have choice free from goobermint coercion (economic freedom). Best move I ever made was from being a wage sheep to an independent contractor, here are the conditions:

Work one hour get paid one hour.

@averagejoe1 said
Zahlanzi ‘feels free’ having his stuff all paid for. Would you fellers ‘feel free’ having college, or anything, paid for? Being property of state? Plantation owners paid for food, room and board of their property, the slaves.
Oh, Zahlanzi…..

@kevin-eleven said
I suspect you are too principled for this, but have you ever considered joining the ranks of the Champagne Socialists? 😉

I do get what you say about having something completely paid for by someone else, and wondering if there is some unspoken "now you owe me/us" attached -- kind of like a generous "gift" from a mob boss.

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@averagejoe1 said
Unfamiliar with the phrase Champagne Socialist, saw def that it is one who identifies himself as left wing, but lives in luxury? I may have a nice life style, as a reward of hard work, but why would you say I might be left wing???

@averagejoe1 said
Nor do I mean what you suggest in 2nd para, that the parasite dependent on government would owe something back to the benefactor-marx authorities. You attempt to overstate my simple comment that Zahlanzi is on the govt dole. That is all that I am saying,,,,that he feeds off the government, lacks self reliance, he has all the trappings of Marx, et al, like Marauder does.

@averagejoe1 said
Have you ever noticed how all posts show how libs talk about other people's money, about government, about paid vacations, free college, free healthcare, getting money from citizens and getting it to other citizens. They discuss everything outside of their personal realm....it is like they need other people to key off of, dont you know?? That, conservatives are not about any of those things? So tell me, which group would feel better to be a part of?

@kevin-eleven said
Calm down, Sparky -- I don't believe I have.

I think it is worth noting that it is difficult to have both. Any time a huge amount of power is ceded to the government, it can result in taking away the freedom of individuals.

It is also the case that European defense budgets clearly aren't what they should be if you are paying attention to the Ukraine situation, lol. it has been quite easy to enjoy the fruits of a lot of socialism while leaning heavily on the US military.

@kevin-eleven said
No, because I don't camp out on the fringes of the RHP Debates Forum, nor do I wake up each day avid to seek out some new thing to take offense at.

Also, why have you reduced this to a binary choice? One of your little rhetorical tricks?

And if you say "libs" then why shouldn't I say "cons"?

@philokalia said
I think it is worth noting that it is difficult to have both. Any time a huge amount of power is ceded to the government, it can result in taking away the freedom of individuals.

It is also the case that European defense budgets clearly aren't what they should be if you are paying attention to the Ukraine situation, lol. it has been quite easy to enjoy the fruits of a lot of socialism while leaning heavily on the US military.

@kevin-eleven said
So your main objection is that you might disapprove of the choices other people make and the local opportunities they might take advantage of, rather than the possibility that there might be a price to pay (other than your disapproval, of course)?

@averagejoe1 said
Certainly, shorten conservatives to ‘cons’ para for paragraph, W for will, B for be. Such as that.
One need not ‘camp out’ when, after reading posts for a year, they would naturally come to conclude that libs do indeed fixate themselves on the aforementioned subjects. Other people, govt, free stuff, the rich, free healthcare, free tuition, govt, govt again…..
You know what I mean.

@kmax87 said
Dennys called,... you can keep the words, but they want their salad back.

@averagejoe1 said
No, socialism to me is the end of Freedom. You fellers who use corporate products everyday, and could not live without them, can only defend your position by saying the corps 'poison water'. zzzzzzzzzzz. So, you say the corporations should not be free. You also, of course, say that I should not be free.
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