28 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidIt doesn't matter how "easily" one is offended. This is just more demeaning of those people who aren't like those in power. Kicking people who are already down is a staple of the right. Telling people to just suck it up and move on, after being denigrated their entire lives. White people don't see how language like this keeps the minorities down. They are obviously seen by those who have the power as inferior, and they never tire of laughing at them.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/the-word-squaw-offensive-or-not
Makes sense, I may have changed my mind. Anyway, those of our society who are easily offennnnded will take this subject and run with it.
I submit to you that this thread was created with the same refrain we've heard from the racist right before. "I don't have a problem with people treating other races as dirt." "Why are they offended by this? I'm not offended by this." This is the white privilege we've seen before. "I'm white, so I don't get people being offended by name calling." You'd sure get it if they were calling YOU these names. All the names people do find offensive have a long history of being used to oppress these people. White people simply have no context by which to judge this. Some do understand but some don't really care if some "snowflake" (their word) is offended because they simply do not get how offensive it is, or how the same old derogatives are embedded in the racist history of America. The words aren't offensive on their own. What is offensive is the history of the word, and how they've been used for literally hundreds of years to oppress people and treat them as inferior. Words have meaning, whether meant to degrade or to lift up. White people in America have won. They're at the peak of power. They do not need to perpetuate hate, degradation and oppression, but they still persist. And often, it seems it will never get better. And that is what is offensive.
28 Sep 21
@suzianne saidTo be fair, I don't get 'being offended'. If you tell me I am too tall, I will not be offended. It is your opinion. If you tell me you hate my Catholic priest, it would have no effect on me. On me.
It doesn't matter how "easily" one is offended. This is just more demeaning of those people who aren't like those in power. Kicking people who are already down is a staple of the right. Telling people to just suck it up and move on, after being denigrated their entire lives. White people don't see how language like this keeps the minorities down. They are obviously seen ...[text shortened]... still persist. And often, it seems it will never get better. And that is what is offensive.
So, in my opinion, you overthink the concept of being offended. I can't imagine an Indian woman, living in her society, would resent that word, as it has been that for hundreds of years. What changed? What, indeed, has changed?
You mention white people a lot. Give us a break, about 70% of our society is white, so, yes, I guess we are at the peak of power. Are you upset or offended about that? Don't get you there.
You make good points, and well written. Please tutor Sonhouse.
You say that I don't get people being offended by name calling. Well, I don't. Consider the person doing the name calling. If a guy calls me a name that you would consider offensive, I would look at him and say I don't need to be involved with this person. If I were black, and were called that derogatory name, I would know I have nothing to do with him and move along. If I slug him, then I am an idiot, as he is a person of no worth, no value, to me.
But if I worry about what this cretin (he is one, because he used that word) calls me ,then I am an immature idiot.
Suzianne, a grown-up is not going to be offended by some comment by a loser. I'm not, and if I were a minority, there words would never hurt me, as the nursery rhyme says.
29 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidBut this thread was started by one of those easily offended snowflakes. There is no way of stopping you conservatives from getting offended. You wake up in the morning and go looking for trivia to get offended by.
https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/the-word-squaw-offensive-or-not
Makes sense, I may have changed my mind. Anyway, those of our society who are easily offennnnded will take this subject and run with it.
29 Sep 21
@mott-the-hoople saidYour being ridiculous. According to your logic if the First Nation peoples left you would revert back shooting muskets and hauling stuff about in covered wagons.
or the white man could leave and the natives could go back to wearing skirts and living in teepees
One thing I’d hope they’d revert back to is a symbiotic model of land and animal husbandry
29 Sep 21
@kevcvs57 saidYou are saying that Conservatives are more susceptible to being offennnnnnded than are liberals. I am off to coffee, I can’t wait to tell that one to the boys.
But this thread was started by one of those easily offended snowflakes. There is no way of stopping you conservatives from getting offended. You wake up in the morning and go looking for trivia to get offended by.
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29 Sep 21
@suzianne saidyour racism really glares
It doesn't matter how "easily" one is offended. This is just more demeaning of those people who aren't like those in power. Kicking people who are already down is a staple of the right. Telling people to just suck it up and move on, after being denigrated their entire lives. White people don't see how language like this keeps the minorities down. They are obviously seen ...[text shortened]... still persist. And often, it seems it will never get better. And that is what is offensive.
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29 Sep 21
@neilarini said“ The Wikipedia project strives for a neutral point of view in its coverage of subjects, both in terms of the articles that are created and the content, perspective and sources within these articles. However, this goal is inhibited by systemic bias created by the shared social and cultural characteristics of most editors, and it results in an imbalanced coverage of subjects and perspectives on the encyclopedia.
squaw Wikipedia
The English word 'squaw' is an ethnic and sexual slur historically used for indigenous North American women. Contemporary use of the term, especially by non-natives, is considered offensive, derogatory, misogynist and racist.
As a result of this systemic bias, some cultures, topics and perspectives tend to be underrepresented on Wikipedia. Some of the types of systemic bias that exist on Wikipedia include cultural bias, gender bias, homophobic bias, sexuality bias, racial bias, and social class bias. Wikipedia tends to underrepresent the perspectives of people who lack access to the Internet, use mobile devices to access Wikipedia, or do not have free time to edit the encyclopedia. Topics for which reliable sources are not easily available (i.e. online) or available in English are systematically underrepresented, and Wikipedia tends to show an American or European perspective on issues due to the prominence of English-speaking editors from Anglophone countries.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia😕ystemic_bias
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29 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidOk say hi to the girls for me.
You are saying that Conservatives are more susceptible to being offennnnnnded than are liberals. I am off to coffee, I can’t wait to tell that one to the boys.
@averagejoe1 saidYes.
You are saying that Conservatives are more susceptible to being offennnnnnded than are liberals. I am off to coffee, I can’t wait to tell that one to the boys.
Saying "happy holidays". Offensive.
Other examples off the top of my head. Star Wars (apparently Darth Vader acts too much like Trump), Starbucks, Nike, Hamilton the play, any and all criticism of the US in history textbooks or contemporary debate, etc.
If you were offended by Kaep taking a knee, you're a snowflake. You're really not going to buy Nike shoes because they did an advertisement with him in it? That's offensive?
Of course, the libs are equally bad. We've become a culture of offense because the media uses the narrative to drive clicks and eyeballs and ad revenue. Every single night Tucker Carlson's show is all about what new thing the libs did that conservatives should be offended by.
Don't pretend conservatives have the high ground on this.
@wildgrass saidHere is AvJoe in a nutshell:
Yes.
Saying "happy holidays". Offensive.
Other examples off the top of my head. Star Wars (apparently Darth Vader acts too much like Trump), Starbucks, Nike, Hamilton the play, any and all criticism of the US in history textbooks or contemporary debate, etc.
If you were offended by Kaep taking a knee, you're a snowflake. You're really not going to buy Nike shoes be ...[text shortened]... at conservatives should be offended by.
Don't pretend conservatives have the high ground on this.
How can the guy who 'took a knee' have ANYTHING to do with me? That is my point, I can't possibly be offended by that. If he says he hates America or the flag, and you say you hate America and the flag, can you please give me a scenario whey that would offend me? Should I be like the guy with horns on Jan 6 and cuss you out? Please explain why that would be a normal response from me, because I truly do not see it.