@averagejoe1 saidNo one hates the rich. It's the corrupt government system favoring the rich that's the problem. For example, politicians who make laws favoring the rich because they're being funded by them.
Settle down with your emotion, and your hate of 'rich people'
I'm not sure about what you mean with ''the debt could have been eliminated". You are saying here to redistribute the money of wealthy people? Is that right?
No. In 2018 Trump passed a bill giving the rich a $1.3 trillion dollar tax break; at the same time, student was $1.5 trillion. Those tax dollars could've gone to eliminate student debt instead of to new yachts for the wealthy.
BTW: that last sentence wasn't an exaggeration:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/396573-gop-lawmaker-bought-multi-million-dollar-yacht-on-the-same-day-he-voted-for
How in the WORLD do libs differentiate between people who should get free stuff, and people who do not get free stuff?
How about making sure that "free stuff" doesn't go to the 1 percent of people who make more than the bottom 99 percent combined?
29 Nov 20
@vivify saidLet's say that I work every day of the week and make a lot of money! My neighbor is salaried and likes making just enough to live on, plans for the govt to take care of him, does not need much money, loafs a lot. Boy, I need money, so that I can have a yacht. And maybe an airplane. Are you with me here? So, you are saying that because I work hard and make a lot of money, that instead of the govt 'allowing me' to buy a yacht, that I don't need the yacht, and the govt has a better use for MY money, which in the end will be used to pay for my lazy neighbor's 4 kids to go to college. That is what you are saying.
No one hates the rich. It's the corrupt government system favoring the rich that's the problem. For example, politicians who make laws favoring the rich because they're being funded by them.
I'm not sure about what you mean with ''the debt could have been eliminated". You are saying here to redistribute the money of wealthy people? Is that right?
No. In 2018 ...[text shortened]... free stuff" doesn't go to the 1 percent of people who make more than the bottom 99 percent combined?
As to the tax break, you can waste space all day, I for one don't know the sources and the outcomes of lobbying that went on with officials that we elect. Even honest senators voted on the tax breaks. Maybe so it would to free up people like Bezos to invent what he did, and like Elon Musk to unbelievably be on the way to the moon ON HIS OWN!! (You did buy Tesla stock that I suggested)?
Do you REALLY want to hamstring rich people? Google how many jobs they are responsible for. Some of the most liberal posters here are indeed working for rich people, and happy that they are. But, they would deny it.
IN closing, you say th $1.3 could have gone for free college, blah blah, don't you think these kids can do and think for themselves? And why should I pay for that neighbor's 4 kids to go to college. I don't have kids myself. None of my business. I didn't have kids so that I could afford a yacht. Can you not get this logic? So govt says, Joe, suck it up. No Yacht. And, after all my hard work.
@averagejoe1 saidPeople who buy yachts and airplanes don't work hard. They are the capitalists, not the workers.
Let's say that I work every day of the week and make a lot of money! My neighbor is salaried and likes making just enough to live on, plans for the govt to take care of him, does not need much money, loafs a lot. Boy, I need money, so that I can have a yacht. And maybe an airplane. Are you with me here? So, you are saying that because I work hard and make a lot of mo ...[text shortened]... Can you not get this logic? So govt says, Joe, suck it up. No Yacht. And, after all my hard work.
29 Nov 20
@averagejoe1 saidRich or not, no one needs a yacht. You know what people do need? To be free of debt incurred simply because they wanted an education.
So, you are saying that because I work hard and make a lot of money, that instead of the govt 'allowing me' to buy a yacht, that I don't need the yacht, and the govt has a better use for MY money,
That, and many other much more worthwhile causes, are where tax dollars need to go to.
29 Nov 20
@athousandyoung saidThose are the bluebloods, the heirs. True captains of industry don't have time for that crap.
People who buy yachts and airplanes don't work hard. They are the capitalists, not the workers.
How many hours a week do you think Musk works... 90?
@earl-of-trumps saidElon Musk spends most of his "work" time ordering other people to work harder.
Those are the bluebloods, the heirs. True captains of industry don't have time for that crap.
How many hours a week do you think Musk works... 90?
https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/30/20891314/elon-musk-tesla-labor-violation-nlrb
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-employees-test-positive-coronavirus-elon-musk-defied-orders-report-2020-6
30 Nov 20
@vivify saidHere is Vivify passing judgment, 'you do not need a yacht'. Viv, what I were rich and feel like I need a yacht. I have my reasons. Maybe to entertain business associates , so that I can grow business and create jobs. And another thing, Viv. You are being emotional in your arguments, not good. And you write quite causally about the tax dollars...... You might not, if they were your honestly earned dollars.
Rich or not, no one needs a yacht. You know what people do need? To be free of debt incurred simply because they wanted an education.
That, and many other much more worthwhile causes, are where tax dollars need to go to.
So you are going to play on your surfboard and collect $40K in entitlements (this is going on, BTW) while Elon Musk and I create jobs, and make money, and buy whatever we want. So, at some point you appear from being a banana tree, and say...." I don't think it is fair that you have a yacht ". What would you say, anyway? Interesting.
@averagejoe1 saidHow are you so bad at reading comprehension? The rich don't need to be given *tax money* to buy them yachts. If they want to buy one with their own income, fine. There's no reason to give them tax breaks to do so.
Here is Vivify passing judgment, 'you do not need a yacht'.
You are insanely dense.
@athousandyoung saidI should know better,
Elon Musk spends most of his "work" time ordering other people to work harder.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/30/20891314/elon-musk-tesla-labor-violation-nlrb
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-employees-test-positive-coronavirus-elon-musk-defied-orders-report-2020-6
the man is an incredible businessman, has lots of money.
you don't really object if he works hard, but you have uber hate in your heart because he earns a lot of money
if it was not for hard workers, you'd have no home computer, no internet, no electricity.
jeeeeeezus you people have no tolerance for anything that isn't PC
30 Nov 20
@vivify saidComprehension? Do you think your 2nd sentence above makes sense.?
How are you so bad at reading comprehension? The rich don't need to be given *tax money* to buy them yachts. If they want to buy one with their own income, fine. There's no reason to give them tax breaks to do so.
You are insanely dense.
Anyway, the crux of all this, if we were an island tribe and i gather 1000 coconuts for my family, YOU think you should be able to TAKE my earned coconuts and apply them to the COMMON GOOD, I might rather want to contribute them to fishermen to plug holes in their boats. Help local economy. Or, i might sell them, to then buy me a huge boat to ferry people and make money. Its my decision, dont you think? Can you dissect this simple paragraph? Are you of communist bent?
Vivify tax breaks are there to make it possible for failing businesses to be able to regroup and get the business up and running again. If they were not there, they would totally disintegrate and jobs will be lost. They are a tool to keep the economy going..
They stimulate the economy by increasing the amount of money taxpayers have to spend, or to promote certain types of behaviors such as purchasing energy efficient appliances or attending college. Certainly you understand this? If Biden takes the money of rich folks, they will have none left to invest to grow the economy.
30 Nov 20
@earl-of-trumps saidNo idea, but most people work forty hours a week. If Musk works a bit more than twice as hard, maybe he should earn a bit more than twice as much?
How many hours a week do you think Musk works... 90?
30 Nov 20
@teinosuke saidI think that several posters here define 'work' as physically toiling with your hands. If you and I work side by side on an Amazon conveyor belt, we will make the same boring salary. But then, you might say, I am going to borrow $100,000, hire 3 people, and open a taco stand. While they run it, at $20/hour, you might not do anything, and, you will make money by taking a risk, thinking and planning, and NOT using your hands. Liberals get into vent-mode when they try to absorb this concept. A classic is that Suzianne would say' You are making money on the backs of others!!!!!"
No idea, but most people work forty hours a week. If Musk works a bit more than twice as hard, maybe he should earn a bit more than twice as much?
Elon Musk does not use his hands. Thousand Young, above, says Musk makes money by ordering people to work harder. A typical lib fault, he writes that as if the people HAVE to work there. He writes that as if they are slaves in a cotton field, like, they are not being PAID to work. Lib stuff is hard to get, but fun to read their lack of logic, rational thought and common sense.
@averagejoe1 saidThen if you want to keep lying about being able to work hard enough to earn a yacht then why don’t you address tienosukes simple equation?
I think that several posters here define 'work' as physically toiling with your hands. If you and I work side by side on an Amazon conveyor belt, we will make the same boring salary. But then, you might say, I am going to borrow $100,000, hire 3 people, and open a taco stand. While they run it, at $20/hour, you might not do anything, and, you will make money by taking a ...[text shortened]... . Lib stuff is hard to get, but fun to read their lack of logic, rational thought and common sense.
No one can work hard enough to earn billions. There is always a point at which it is the hard work of others that earn your billions for you. We call this system Capitalism and government have a duty to take oversight of the system and tweak the distribution of the wealth created in it in order to achieve a more equitable society.
That doesn’t mean that there is an upper limit to how rich you can be, but rather a lower limit on how poor you can be.
30 Nov 20
@kevcvs57 saidKeeping it simple: Correct, no one can work with their hands, maybe on an assembly line or raking a yard, to earn a yacht. Or to earn billions, as you say.
Then if you want to keep lying about being able to work hard enough to earn a yacht then why don’t you address tienosukes simple equation?
No one can work hard enough to earn billions. There is always a point at which it is the hard work of others that earn your billions for you. We call this system Capitalism and government have a duty to take oversight of the system and t ...[text shortened]... hat there is an upper limit to how rich you can be, but rather a lower limit on how poor you can be.
I guess the tweaking you speak of is the collection of taxes, a larger percentage from the wealthy than from the middle or lower class. Kev, that is already going on. To keep it all equitable.
I concur, "That doesn't mean that there is an upper limit to how rich you can be", but I have a feeling you want to collect MORE from the rich....how much more? You might want to google how much of the taxes in this country are already paid by the top 1%. (job creators, by the way...lets not bite the hand of the man that feeds us.)
How much more? And what in the WORLD do you mean by a 'lower limit of how poor you can be"'??? Seriously, please expound. Maybe start a thread just on that, it would attract a whole lot of attention.