Originally posted by wib
If everything in life was that simple and clear cut lawyers wouldn't have jobs Ivanhoe. 🙂
I'd say Ragnorak is right. This is all about future litigation. Which you KNOW is coming from some group. Probably several groups. All of this is far from over. And that's a shame. The political grandstanding and media feeding frenzy around all of this needs to end.
Of course this case isn't over, I agree with you on that. Giving Terri pain-killers is indeed an action to avoid any judicial claims from their opponents. They want to cover their own *sses.
Originally posted by no1marauderModern Version: " ... But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God."
Sorry, I don't believe 21st century law should be based on the beliefs people had over 2000 years ago. The portion of the Hippocratic Oath is discussed in Roe v. Wade and is based on the Stoic belief that a soul was present in ...[text shortened]... 't believe it than whether working on a Sabbath is a sin or not.
As an agnost or atheist what exactly do these two sentences taken from the modern version mean to you ? How should they be interpretated by people who do not believe in God, just like you ? Have they any meaning at all for you ?
Originally posted by bbarrIsn.t that a bit like using antiseptic on the skin just before administering a lethal injection
There is no reason to give Schiavo morphine, other than as a pain-killer for her parents and their supporters. But giving morphine is standard procedure in hospise care, so... Read the medical evidence, Ivanhoe.
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo, I'm not able to read any sentences with the word "God" in them because I'm an agnostic.
Modern Version: " ... But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God."
As an agnost or atheist what exactly do these two sentences taken from the modern version mean to you ? How should they be interpretated by people who do not believe in God, just like you ? Have they any meaning at all for you ?
Originally posted by no1marauder"Modern Version: " ... But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God."
No, I'm not able to read any sentences with the word "God" in them because I'm an agnostic.
What do these sentences mean to you, no1 ?
Let me give it a try ..... these sentences mean nothing whatsoever to an agnost or atheist. Do you agree ?
I fear that when I'll be awaken tomorrow, poor Terri would not be between us.
I've hear (read) here a lot of opinions. Some of these make sense. Others, are a
poor babbling.
A sad sample: right wing, culture of death, fascism, liberalism, and so going ad nauseum.
In my honest opinion, we are wasting not our time, but HER time, that is very scarse.
Whatever is your opinion in this case, I *demand* you to be conscious of this lack of time.
She may be dead by now.
But put your opinions wherever they can be hear!
I don't care if its a thumb up or down opinion, with respect to Terri's life, BUT EXPRESS THEM!
But put your BALLS in here.
It's futile to continue to call us names, Or making idiotic phylosophic discussions about
legal and/or questions.
Terri is dying. Point.
I hope if you have some conscious feellings (an oxymoron), you'd may to go to bed peaceful.
And be satisfied with what you believe it is just, and what you had make in the practice.
Michael
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo I don't agree. "Playing God" to me means acting like you have some superior wisdom that enables you to make decisions for other people. This is exactly what you and KellyJay want to do; the courts are wrong, Michael is wrong, Terri is wrong; but you guys are possessed of awesome knowledge that the rest of us mortals lack, so everyone must do what you believe is correct. As someone with a realization that my preferences are no more valid than the next person's, I say people should be able to make their own decisions. You want to play God, Ivanhoe, but that job is either already taken or forever vacant.
"Modern Version: " ... But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God."
What do these sentences mean to you, no1 ?
Let me give it a try ..... these sentences mean nothing whatsoever to an agnost or atheist. Do you agree ?