@no1marauder saidDid the farmers, trappers, livery stable hands, fish mongers, painters, carpenters, mercantile storekeepers, undertakers, riverboat captains, wagon masters, et al give prepaid credit cards, housing, medical care, 3 meals a day, horses, to the Ellis island (legal) immigrants?
I already said that based on levels of immigration in the late 1800s (when the nation was much less prosperous) which were approximately 1.5% of the US total population, the country could comfortably handle 5 to 5.5 million immigrants per year.
You are an idiot. See, you are comparing apples and illegal oranges.
Get a grip, Marauder. We know you want them here to get votes for your communist goals. Patience, you will prevail. Too late to turn it around. Trump will try, but can’t do it. Will yall make our kids wear brown shirts?
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@no1marauder saidI indeed say something differently. You see, your human rights agreement says free housing, etc, but our constitution does not say that. My goodness, let’s pick one!! Haha. Explain to Suzy and me how you square this up.
Hardly. You're talking about denying entrance for totally arbitrary reasons having nothing to do with the validity of their asylum claims.
Maybe you're not a fan of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but its Article 14 states:
"Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal ...[text shortened]... ntry but simply enacting harsher laws is unlikely to do anything but make certain politicians happy.
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@averagejoe1 saidWe have a much better system now than existed at the time, true. But that goes for all, not merely immigrants.
Did the farmers, trappers, livery stable hands, fish mongers, painters, carpenters, mercantile storekeepers, undertakers, riverboat captains, wagon masters, et al give prepaid credit cards, housing, medical care, 3 meals a day, horses, to the Ellis island (legal) immigrants?
You are an idiot. See, you are comparing apples and illegal oranges.
Get a grip, Maraud ...[text shortened]... late to turn it around. Trump will try, but can’t do it. Will yall make our kids wear brown shirts?
Not sure why right wingers are soooooooooooooooooooooo afraid those coming into country will vote a certain way; certainly some groups of immigrants, say Cuban-Americans, vote disproportionately for right wing candidates. Anyway, your usual baseless ranting isn't an answer to the economic arguments I've given, I suspect because you have no answer.
@suzianne saidHey did you see where professor Marauder talks about how all this is like the migrants of the 1800’s and early 1900’s?!?!?! How about the ones before that, Davy Crockett , Jim Bridger, ….that they all had the same status as the illegals today?!?!?
Now you know that this is "encounters" and not "people", right?
Those people picked crops, these cretins kick cops! (Oops, I don’t have a source for this cute saying). I admit plagiarism!!!
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@averagejoe1 saidActually it doesn't say anything about "free housing".
I indeed say something differently. You see, your human rights agreement says free housing, etc, but our constitution does not say that. My goodness, let’s pick one!! Haha. Explain to Suzy and me how you square this up.
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@averagejoe1 saidDavy Crockett was killed for his illegal immigration to Mexico. I don’t know how much crop picking he did but if you think Mexican migrant workers are not picking crops you have your head in the sand. We call them “beaners” because…they pick beans.
Hey did you see where professor Marauder talks about how all this is like the migrants of the 1800’s and early 1900’s?!?!?! How about the ones before that, Davy Crockett , Jim Bridger, ….that they all had the same status as the illegals today?!?!?
Those people picked crops, these cretins kick cops! (Oops, I don’t have a source for this cute saying). I admit plagiarism!!!
https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/amp/
Farmers say they’re having trouble hiring enough people to work during harvest season, causing some crops to rot before they can be picked. Already, the situation has triggered losses of more than $13 million in two California counties alone, according to NBC News.
The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage.
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@no1marauder saidI've never read it, don't know anyone that has. Too busy. So what is Shav talking about, he says it does. Or, he did. Now he will say something else.
Actually it doesn't say anything about "free housing".
Please, no links. Put it in you own words, I will believe you. Also, tell me that there is nothing in there that confllicts with 'our way of life'....that is, we generally do not have the duty of care that you keep espousing.
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@athousandyoung saidATY: Davy Crockett was killed for his illegal immigration to Mexico.
Davy Crockett was killed for his illegal immigration to Mexico. I don’t know how much crop picking he did but if you think Mexican migrant workers are not picking crops you have your head in the sand. We call them “beaners” because…they pick beans.
https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/amp/
Farmers say they’re having tro ...[text shortened]... NBC News.
The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage.
LMAO!
@no1marauder saidYeah but I am referring to people getting free stuff when they got HERE. You silly goose, not when they went off and did something after that. YOu dare twist my post once again!!! Anyway, I did not spend 3 seconds on throwing a few names out like Bridger and Crocket, I am a mountain kinda guy. Did Emealine Pankhurst (sufragette) come over on a boat from england or somewhere? Let me use her as an example. Did we cover her room board medicine cell phone and credti card balance?? Geez.
ATY: Davy Crockett was killed for his illegal immigration to Mexico.
LMAO!
PS: This scenario/premeis is a question.....did we pay expenses and feed all those people like we do the illegals? We did not, but even so, you will not admit it that we did not and you will not answer this question.
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@averagejoe1 saidWe're smarter now; we know that small social investments pay eventual large dividends.
Yeah but I am referring to people getting free stuff when they got HERE. You silly goose, not when they went off and did something after that. YOu dare twist my post once again!!! Anyway, I did not spend 3 seconds on throwing a few names out like Bridger and Crocket, I am a mountain kinda guy. Did Emealine Pankhurst (sufragette) come over on a boat from england or so ...[text shortened]... er as an example. Did we cover her room board medicine cell phone and credti card balance?? Geez.
So maybe we could do more than 5.5 million immigrants a year .....................................
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@no1marauder saidVery good civilized answer. But you seem quite comfortable knowing that 51%^ of our citizens will be supporting the other 49%. Why don't you start a thread on that?
We're smarter now; we know that small social investments pay eventual large dividends.
So maybe we could do more than 5.5 million immigrants a year .....................................
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@averagejoe1 saidBecause it's BS?
Very good civilized answer. But you seem quite comfortable knowing that 51%^ of our citizens will be supporting the other 49%. Why don't you start a thread on that?
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@athousandyoung said
Davy Crockett was killed for his illegal immigration to Mexico. I don’t know how much crop picking he did but if you think Mexican migrant workers are not picking crops you have your head in the sand. We call them “beaners” because…they pick beans.
https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/amp/
Farmers say they’re having tro ...[text shortened]... NBC News.
The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage.
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@no1marauder saidIs it? Dont walk away on this one. You will.
Because it's BS?
47.2% do NOT pay income tax . Source it!
Now, These new illegals will pay none. So add these people to our population, and redo the math, and we will see that the percentage flips, very soon.
A country where 51% pay no taxes means 49% support them.
Say ‘you got a point Joe. ‘
Or don’t, Marauder.