@moonbus saidAn order was given to shoot down the fourth plane. But passengers helped take it down before the scrambled jet fighters arrived. Documented facts.
What I am suggesting is that we have not been told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, regarding the events of that day.
For example: when the second plane struck the TT it became clear that it was no accident, and with two more hijacked planes still aloft with unknown targets, it must have occurred to President Bush and his advisors that the remaining p ...[text shortened]... es not provide a link to it.
Not at all like the Zapruder film, for example, which is on YouTube.
What you are witnessing is the fact that events don’t match up to what you expect them to be.
But when probed about the consequences of these conclusions, you can’t find answers.
And that’s because the most logocial conclusion matches the findings of the investigation (including eye-witness testimony).
@moonbus saidBuilding 7 wasn't hit by a plane. What happened there? The official report says fire. The fires apparently caused enough thermal expansion to separate steel girders. That seems like a design flaw we would see in other office building fires but it's the only time that's ever happened.
Yes, given a full planeload of fuel. The architect of the Twin Towers weighed in on the issue. He claimed the building was not designed to withstand an aircraft impact.
Jet fuel burns at up to 2000 degrees c. Steel melts at below 1500.
https://www.utilitysmarts.com/automobile/gasoline/does-jet-fuel-burn-hotter-than-gasoline/
https://www.engineersedge.com/materials ...[text shortened]... of the floors above, the building sank into itself vertically, collapsing like a stack of pancakes.
The video is suspicious. It comes down synchronously in apparent freefall.
@wildgrass saidSame thing happens in other buildings as well. I’ve pointed you in that direction already.
Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. What happened there? The official report says fire. The fires apparently caused enough thermal expansion to separate steel girders. That seems like a design flaw we would see in other office building fires but it's the only time that's ever happened.
The video is suspicious. It comes down synchronously in apparent freefall.
Look, once in a blue moon Wayoma and me don’t disagree on something… and this is one of those times. Take it as a sign of the Gods…
Steel expands when it’s heated. It becomes ever weaker as the temperature rises. Suddenly the supporting structure can’t hold the floor. This drops down.
The force of the drop combined with the double weight, mixed with even slightly weakened steel collapses the next floor.
That force of that drop with 3x the weight of the floor now… etc. until you have a pancake.
These conclusions are peer reviewed. Undeniable truths.
And me and the koala shagger agree.
What more could an RHP Debates forum poster want?
@shavixmir said"Same thing happens in other buildings as well. I’ve pointed you in that direction already"
Same thing happens in other buildings as well. I’ve pointed you in that direction already.
Look, once in a blue moon Wayoma and me don’t disagree on something… and this is one of those times. Take it as a sign of the Gods…
Steel expands when it’s heated. It becomes ever weaker as the temperature rises. Suddenly the supporting structure can’t hold the floor. This drops ...[text shortened]... ble truths.
And me and the koala shagger agree.
What more could an RHP Debates forum poster want?
No, you lied. As I pointed out, the Windsor Tower in Madrid was left standing after the fire. Try to make your points without lying like a rug.
https://documentaryheaven.com/zero-an-investigation-into-911/
"These conclusions are peer reviewed"
Who are the peers and what did the peers conclude?
19 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidI gave plenty of examples.
"Same thing happens in other buildings as well. I’ve pointed you in that direction already"
No, you lied. As I pointed out, the Windsor Tower in Madrid was left standing after the fire. Try to make your points without lying like a rug.
https://documentaryheaven.com/zero-an-investigation-into-911/
"These conclusions are peer reviewed"
Who are the peers and what did the peers conclude?
As for the peer reviews: search for it. I’m sure it’s quite easy to find.
19 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidFirst prove it is peer reviewed.
I gave plenty of examples.
As for the peer reviews: search for it. I’m sure it’s quite easy to find.
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation#:~:text=Throughout%20the%20process%2C%20NIST%20held,non%2DNIST%20NCST%20advisory%20committee.
First prove it is peer reviewed.
They say so themselves.
Who reviewed it? Fukk knows. It’s a non-issue to me.
Send them an email and ask them. I’m sure they’ll provide you what you need.
Oh. You don’t do that, do you?
Don’t want your little bubble popped.
End of then, eh.
@shavixmir saidI didn't see anything in that article that says it was peer reviewed.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation#:~:text=Throughout%20the%20process%2C%20NIST%20held,non%2DNIST%20NCST%20advisory%20committee.
They say so themselves.
Who reviewed it? Fukk knows. It’s a non-issue to me.
Send them an email and ask them. I’m sure they’ll provide you what you need.
Oh. You don’t do that, do you?
Don’t want your little bubble popped.
End of then, eh.
"Who reviewed it? Fukk knows. It’s a non-issue to me"
So you don't even know if they are experts or have a conflict of interest. That is called faith little boy.
@metal-brain saidEnd of
I didn't see anything in that article that says it was peer reviewed.
"Who reviewed it? Fukk knows. It’s a non-issue to me"
So you don't even know if they are experts or have a conflict of interest. That is called faith little boy.
20 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidBuilding #7?
Learn to read. I said Airlines Flight 93. Where do you think that plane was headed before it crashed near Indian Lake and Shanksville, Pennsylvania?
20 Sep 23
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@earl-of-trumps saidI thought that at first too, but I think the direction of the plane was toward DC.
Building #7?
This was a day after Rumsfeld announced trillions of dollars were unaccounted for.
Not surprisingly there are conspiracy theories that the evidence to find out needed to be destroyed in the Pentagon to cover up a massive money laundering scam. When the plane was brought down before it could get to the Pentagon they had to use a cruise missile instead. That is how that conspiracy theory goes.
22 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidNice work. Well argued.
Same thing happens in other buildings as well. I’ve pointed you in that direction already.
Look, once in a blue moon Wayoma and me don’t disagree on something… and this is one of those times. Take it as a sign of the Gods…
Steel expands when it’s heated. It becomes ever weaker as the temperature rises. Suddenly the supporting structure can’t hold the floor. This drops ...[text shortened]... ble truths.
And me and the koala shagger agree.
What more could an RHP Debates forum poster want?
22 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidYou must not be paying attention to all posts on this thread. Shav falsely claimed steel buildings collapsed in the same way before. I proved him wrong. The building in Madrid was still left standing. He lied.
Nice work. Well argued.
22 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidYou argue one of the many buildings I mentioned.
You must not be paying attention to all posts on this thread. Shav falsely claimed steel buildings collapsed in the same way before. I proved him wrong. The building in Madrid was still left standing. He lied.
And you discard them all. I don’t have time to be bothered with your idiocy anymore.
22 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidThen post them again, but this time do some quality control of your claims. You claimed the all collapsed to the ground and that was not true, so you lied.
You argue one of the many buildings I mentioned.
And you discard them all. I don’t have time to be bothered with your idiocy anymore.
Prove they all collapsed the same way building #7 or the twin towers did. If not, at the least prove some of them did. It is not as if I am holding you to an unreasonable standard. Step up and prove it.