22 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidThe building looks like it fell with a controlled explosive. But the prevailing view is that it tumbled by fire. It's not up to shav to prove it, that was done by experts who studied the wreckage for years.
Then post them again, but this time do some quality control of your claims. You claimed the all collapsed to the ground and that was not true, so you lied.
Prove they all collapsed the same way building #7 or the twin towers did. If not, at the least prove some of them did. It is not as if I am holding you to an unreasonable standard. Step up and prove it.
It's up to the conspiracists to prove otherwise. They need more than 1 video. All we have is three threads of evidence presented in the OP. If it didn't come down as written on the official report, the other explanation is a massive, well planned, tight lipped, and brass balled conspiracy. That one is much harder to prove, and therefore much less likely to have occurred.
Maybe, just not very likely. The internet ropes you into this stuff by omitting the parts of the story that don't fit. Like the massive building that recently fell on top of building 7. That's a big factor.
Also if the goal was destroying evidence there are much easier ways. Unless the mastermind of the conspiracy was descended from Rube Goldberg.
23 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidHere’s one for you.
Then post them again, but this time do some quality control of your claims. You claimed the all collapsed to the ground and that was not true, so you lied.
Prove they all collapsed the same way building #7 or the twin towers did. If not, at the least prove some of them did. It is not as if I am holding you to an unreasonable standard. Step up and prove it.
Sao Paulo building pancake collapse due to fire:
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And, just to be clear, this is the last time I am doing your homework for you.
A siimple search brings forth these kinds of hits.
That you just don’t like things not fitting into your conspiracy theories, doesn’t make you right or smart. It just makes you look paranoid and / or retarded.
Now, excuse me, I’ve got some venison that needs preparing, and that’s ultimately far more interesting that your building BS.
23 Sep 23
@shavixmir
The São Paulo newspaper Estadão reported that makeshift living compartments in the building had been constructed from wood, aiding the spread of the blaze through the floors.
23 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidDoesn’t matter. Heat by fire expanded the steel, allowing the floors to collapse in on themselves.
@shavixmir
The São Paulo newspaper Estadão reported that makeshift living compartments in the building had been constructed from wood, aiding the spread of the blaze through the floors.
23 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidI watched the video, but did not see any pancake collapse. It looked like the side of the building fell. not the whole building.
Doesn’t matter. Heat by fire expanded the steel, allowing the floors to collapse in on themselves.
23 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidI give up.
I watched the video, but did not see any pancake collapse. It looked like the side of the building fell. not the whole building.
You can read all about yourself. I’m no longer feeding you.
The tower collapse on 9-11 must obviously have been an alien conspiracy, helped by JFK returning from the dead to help Qanon establish a new caliphat in Australia.
23 Sep 23
@shavixmir
The building was built with concrete hull construction. It was built completely differently than the twin towers. That also does nothing to explain how building #7 came down the way it did.
23 Sep 23
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@shavixmir
The building was built with concrete hull construction. It was built completely differently than the twin towers. That also does nothing to explain how building #7 came down the way it did.
26 Sep 23
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@metal-brain saidThere's a detailed report summarizing years of investigations into how that building came down. Yes, there is some criticism of the report. Yes, there are still some unknowns. But critical thinking is not just skepticism. We accept the most likely model until one built on better evidence presents itself. While it seems to look suspiciously like a controlled demolition, it wasn't. Unless you have other evidence.
@shavixmir
The building was built with concrete hull construction. It was built completely differently than the twin towers. That also does nothing to explain how building #7 came down the way it did.
26 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidThere is plenty of evidence. You just don't want to believe it.
There's a detailed report summarizing years of investigations into how that building came down. Yes, there is some criticism of the report. Yes, there are still some unknowns. But critical thinking is not just skepticism. We accept the most likely model until one built on better evidence presents itself. While it seems to look suspiciously like a controlled demolition, it wasn't. Unless you have other evidence.
https://documentaryheaven.com/zero-an-investigation-into-911/
Do you have the same dismissal of evidence and blind faith in the Warren Commission and believe that is the last word regarding the JFK assassination?
26 Sep 23
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@wildgrass saidIf you think investigations are so important to finding the truth why did the corporate news media tell us all it was Osama Bin Laden who was responsible for it literally minutes after it happened? Those reporters were obviously on script when they said it. How could all 4 major networks know it was Osama that was responsible before any investigation could possibly take place?
There's a detailed report summarizing years of investigations into how that building came down. Yes, there is some criticism of the report. Yes, there are still some unknowns. But critical thinking is not just skepticism. We accept the most likely model until one built on better evidence presents itself. While it seems to look suspiciously like a controlled demolition, it wasn't. Unless you have other evidence.
Why are you giving our government the benefit of the doubt? I suspect you would have no problem accepting Putin would do something like that. You are still caught up in that good guy/bad guy false dichotomy. You are one of those naive saps that think your government would not do something like that. Well here is absolute proof you have been fooling yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Next time you have the urge to tell someone that you just cannot imagine it could happen here in the so called land of the free.......bite your damn lip! Then tell them about Operation Northwoods so you don't come across as naive fool.
26 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidYou really need to get your facts in order.
If you think investigations are so important to finding the truth why did the corporate news media tell us all it was Osama Bin Laden who was responsible for it literally minutes after it happened? Those reporters were obviously on script when they said it. How could all 4 major networks know it was Osama that was responsible before any investigation could possibly take p ...[text shortened]... ite your damn lip! Then tell them about Operation Northwoods so you don't come across as naive fool.
It was the CIA who suggested it could have been Bin Laden and that's what was picked up.
They suggested it because of intercepted messages. It tooks weeks to rule out matters to a certain degree of certaintity.
And no, your government, no matter how crazy I think they are, would not pull a 9-11 in their largest city. That's madhatter-crazy talk.
26 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidSo the CIA knew 911 was going to happen and did nothing to let it happen?
You really need to get your facts in order.
It was the CIA who suggested it could have been Bin Laden and that's what was picked up.
They suggested it because of intercepted messages. It tooks weeks to rule out matters to a certain degree of certaintity.
And no, your government, no matter how crazy I think they are, would not pull a 9-11 in their largest city. That's madhatter-crazy talk.
That's madhatter-crazy talk.
You saying the CIA knew it was coming before it happened tells you what?
27 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidYou are just making up crap that is not true. There is no evidence linking Bin Laden to 911 still till this day. You were rumor duped.
You really need to get your facts in order.
It was the CIA who suggested it could have been Bin Laden and that's what was picked up.
They suggested it because of intercepted messages. It tooks weeks to rule out matters to a certain degree of certaintity.
And no, your government, no matter how crazy I think they are, would not pull a 9-11 in their largest city. That's madhatter-crazy talk.
From the link below:
"When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'
https://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
See everybody? This is typical shav. He just makes up something based on faulty assumptions when he is confronted with facts he cannot accept. All so he can continue to believe a false rumor that makes no sense at all. Don't be surprised if he calls facts conspiracy theories. That is what denialists do. They attempt to marginalize facts.