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22 Jul 22
@metal-brain saidYes. And humans are making it worse.
Stop lying. Nobody said climate change is a hoax.
Climate change has always happened and always will.
And humans have the capability to make it less worse.
What’s the problem?
@shavixmir saidHow much worse?
Yes. And humans are making it worse.
And humans have the capability to make it less worse.
What’s the problem?
At what cost?
Millions of people already suffer and die from lack of energy, energy to cook, energy for hospitals, etc. In India they burn cow dung as fuel because they don't have access to cheap plentiful coal sourced electricity. Thankfully for humanity India continues to build coal powered generation.
You could save some valuable energy by unplugging not only from the internet but pull the power cable too, because that's how millions live now, in need of cheap plentiful electricity.
05 Aug 22
@wajoma saidThe lifecycle cost of deploying fossil fuel generated electricity makes new coal fired electricity generation too expensive and not a market driven exercise but more an ideological one. Renewable power generation makes too much economic sense to be ignored, and that’s where new investment is flowing to.
How much worse?
At what cost?
Millions of people already suffer and die from lack of energy, energy to cook, energy for hospitals, etc. In India they burn cow dung as fuel because they don't have access to cheap plentiful coal sourced electricity. Thankfully for humanity India continues to build coal powered generation.
You could save some valuable energy by unplugging ...[text shortened]... l the power cable too, because that's how millions live now, in need of cheap plentiful electricity.
05 Aug 22
@shavixmir saidPoppycock.
Yes. And humans are making it worse.
And humans have the capability to make it less worse.
What’s the problem?
Cities have the heat island effect and you are measuring the temps of the cities that are too warm because of cement and asphalt. Humans are making cities worse.
Global warming is natural.
@kmax87 saidWe will now run kmaxs post through a quantifying exercise, information versus gooblydegook.
The lifecycle cost of deploying fossil fuel generated electricity makes new coal fired electricity generation too expensive and not a market driven exercise but more an ideological one. Renewable power generation makes too much economic sense to be ignored, and that’s where new investment is flowing to.
The lifecycle cost of deploying renewable generated electricity makes new windmills and solar generation too expensive and not a market driven exercise but more an ideological one. Fossil fuel power generation makes too much economic sense to be ignored and that's where new (un-artificially-subsidised) investment is flowing to.
Proud to be part of a new power generation project on Guam, the new power plant can burn either natural gas or heavy fuel. Guam tried the virtue signalling solar panel farm and it's a joke. Hundreds of tonnes of toxic materials for panels and batteries for unreliable expensive power.
@metal-brain saidYou just don’t comprehend.
Poppycock.
Cities have the heat island effect and you are measuring the temps of the cities that are too warm because of cement and asphalt. Humans are making cities worse.
Global warming is natural.
Right. The ice age. Half of the US was under glaciers, the lower half was tundra.
Compared to 1800, the Earth was an average of 6° colder.
Since 1800 the Earth has become 2 / 2.5° warmer.
Take into account that it’s a bell curve. So the oceans are less than 2° warmer, the equator doesn’t change much. Europe and North America are about 4° warmer. The Arctic is about 6° warmer.
What changes in the environment do you expect? One degree warmer still and many things you take for granted are going to be gone or radically changed.
7 billion extra people, all those cars, all that industry, asphalt (as you say yourself) … what on Earth makes you think this isn’t of any influence?
Yes. Climate change is natural. But a large part of the current climate change is caused by humans.
And as I’ve said before, the world isn’t going to end. But life as we know is going to radically change.
The whole coastline of the US is going to change. The crops, plants, etc. are all going to have to change. Whole forests are going to change; wildlife changes. This is going to happen in your lifetime.
05 Aug 22
@shavixmir saidClimate catastrophist James Hansen has been called a "climate prophet" by Senator Edward J. Markey.
You just don’t comprehend.
Right. The ice age. Half of the US was under glaciers, the lower half was tundra.
Compared to 1800, the Earth was an average of 6° colder.
Since 1800 the Earth has become 2 / 2.5° warmer.
Take into account that it’s a bell curve. So the oceans are less than 2° warmer, the equator doesn’t change much. Europe and North America are about 4° ...[text shortened]... ange. Whole forests are going to change; wildlife changes. This is going to happen in your lifetime.
Here he is in 2008 predicting that starting 2013-2018 there would be no summer Arctic ice.
Nasa Scientist "We're Toast."
"We see a tipping point happening right before our eyes," Hansen told the AP before the luncheon."The Arctic is the tipping point and it's happening exactly as we said it would"
Shag you really need to up the drama panic, these guys are way better at it than you.
05 Aug 22
@wajoma saidThat’s where you are wrong.
Climate catastrophist James Hansen has been called a "climate prophet" by Senator Edward J. Markey.
Here he is in 2008 predicting that starting 2013-2018 there would be no summer Arctic ice.
Nasa Scientist "We're Toast."
"We see a tipping point happening right before our eyes," Hansen told the AP before the luncheon."The Arctic is the tipping point and it's happening ex ...[text shortened]... d it would"
Shag you really need to up the drama panic, these guys are way better at it than you.
I don’t give a flying fukk about climate change or the environment.
I’m just not a moron; sticking my head up a koala’s arse to ignore what’s going on, like you.
@wajoma saidMillions are dying because hospitals and cooks don't have enough electricity around? Did you just pull that figure out your ass?
How much worse?
At what cost?
Millions of people already suffer and die from lack of energy, energy to cook, energy for hospitals, etc. In India they burn cow dung as fuel because they don't have access to cheap plentiful coal sourced electricity. Thankfully for humanity India continues to build coal powered generation.
You could save some valuable energy by unplugging ...[text shortened]... l the power cable too, because that's how millions live now, in need of cheap plentiful electricity.
Want to guess how many die from the air pollution that coal-fired energy plants produce, in addition to the pollution generated by burning other fossil fuels? Check out just this one site:
https://ourworldindata.org/data-review-air-pollution-deaths
The punchline:
The two most widely cited, and regularly updated estimates for the death toll from air pollution come from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the IHME’s Global Burden of Disease study. Their latest estimates are very close to each other – they estimate 7 million and 6.7 million deaths per year, respectively. These deaths are attributed to both indoor and outdoor pollution and – as explained below – stem from man-made and natural sources of air pollution.
So factoring out natural sources of pollution, I think it is fair to say that man-made air pollution kills a few millions per year. Solar and wind energy, and other clean, renewable energy sources: These are the things the world's nations need to invest in to make their economies and societies sustainable. Ideally richer nations would help poorer nations achieve this, in the interests of having clean air and plentiful energy for all.
05 Aug 22
@wajoma saidYou could live in a cave and pound rocks all day, too.
How much worse?
At what cost?
Millions of people already suffer and die from lack of energy, energy to cook, energy for hospitals, etc. In India they burn cow dung as fuel because they don't have access to cheap plentiful coal sourced electricity. Thankfully for humanity India continues to build coal powered generation.
You could save some valuable energy by unplugging ...[text shortened]... l the power cable too, because that's how millions live now, in need of cheap plentiful electricity.
@shavixmir saidAnd you think after an ice age global warming isn't normal?
You just don’t comprehend.
Right. The ice age. Half of the US was under glaciers, the lower half was tundra.
Compared to 1800, the Earth was an average of 6° colder.
Since 1800 the Earth has become 2 / 2.5° warmer.
Take into account that it’s a bell curve. So the oceans are less than 2° warmer, the equator doesn’t change much. Europe and North America are about 4° ...[text shortened]... ange. Whole forests are going to change; wildlife changes. This is going to happen in your lifetime.
How the hell do you think ice ages end? It isn't man. It is natural.
We also came out of the little ice age more recently. That was also because of natural global warming. The trend started naturally. Now you are shifting the credit to man because you are selectively measuring city temps and omitting temperatures from rural areas.
The heat island effect has nothing to do with global warming.
You city dwellers need to plant more trees in the city. That would help. You might want to paint your sidewalks and roads white if the heat is really that bad.
05 Aug 22
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@wajoma saidWe can't do anything about it just because it's been around a.long time? Imagine if this logic held for all other problems humanity has solved over the years.
Climate change has occurred through out the history of the planet, no one is claiming it doesn't exist or that it's a hoax. You're beginning to sound like your bud soothfast talking to the voices in your head.
Polio has been around for hundreds/ thousands of years. No sense pretending we can do anything about it?