27 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidTrump never stopped cooperating with NARA. The whole reason NARA found classified documents is because Trump cooperated and gave them to NARA. It is unclear if Trump was aware classified documents were in the 15 boxes of documents he gave them, but he certainly did not try to hide them. NARA demanded nothing before that and Trump still cooperated with NARA.
Trump didn't "cooperate". Despite NARA's constant demands for over a year, he refused to turn over materials he had no legal right to keep. He turned over a small portion in February at which point NARA found to their surprise he was still holding sensitive documents and they then alerted DOJ where Trump repeated his pattern of turning over a small portion of what he had no business maintaining (while lying about it). Finally DOJ used legal, coercive measures.
Are you imagining that NARA was constantly demanding documents? The timeline I provided you says nothing of that. It says the DOJ said Trump was not cooperating, not NARA. As far as I can see Trump had nothing less that warm relations with NARA and they never complained about Trump at all.
NARA got the classified documents BECAUSE Trump cooperated with them. He gave those documents to them. DUH!
27 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidAnd NARA had access to Trump's documents at Mar a Lago at any time they asked for access. See how that works? Why does it matter who has "exclusive and physical custody" of them if access is given whenever needed?
My town library has "exclusive and physical custody" of a lot of books and other materials.
I and other members of the public have "access" to them.
See how that works?
27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidNo they didn't.
And NARA had access to Trump's documents at Mar a Lago at any time they asked for access. See how that works? Why does it matter who has "exclusive and physical custody" of them if access is given whenever needed?
27 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidTrump never stopped cooperating with NARA. The whole reason NARA found classified documents is because Trump cooperated and gave them to NARA. It is unclear if Trump was aware classified documents were in the 15 boxes of documents he gave them, but he certainly did not try to hide them. NARA demanded nothing before that and Trump still cooperated with NARA.
No they didn't.
Are you imagining that NARA was constantly demanding documents? The timeline I provided you says nothing of that. It says the DOJ said Trump was not cooperating, not NARA. As far as I can see Trump had nothing less that warm relations with NARA and they never complained about Trump at all.
NARA got the classified documents BECAUSE Trump cooperated with them. He gave those documents to them.
27 Sep 22
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@Metal-Brain
Which planet are you on again? Trump HID almost half of what he 'gave'. It took a frigging RAID to find the rest, if indeed that IS the 'rest'.
When are you going to admit Trump is a criminal pure and simple and why don't YOU explain the EMPTY folders, eh.
Did you conveniently forget about the part where those two shyster lawyers signed an affidavit saying there were no more docs after the 15 boxes were given back?
What the HELL drugs are you on anyway?
27 Sep 22
@sonhouse saidTrump didn't hide any documents from NARA. If that was his intent he never would have gave them classified documents in those 15 boxes. He would have taken them out and hid them. He did not do that.
@Metal-Brain
Which planet are you on again? Trump HID almost half of what he 'gave'. It took a frigging RAID to find the rest, if indeed that IS the 'rest'.
When are you going to admit Trump is a criminal pure and simple and why don't YOU explain the EMPTY folders, eh.
Did you conveniently forget about the part where those two shyster lawyers signed an affidavit saying there were no more docs after the 15 boxes were given back?
What the HELL drugs are you on anyway?
NARA had nothing to do with the raid on Mar A Lago. That was the DOJ.
Trump gave NARA the documents (still cooperating) that were classified. That is why they contacted the DOJ. Because he was cooperating.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
It was the DOJ that said Trump was not cooperating. NARA had nothing to do with that.
27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidYou harp on, that Obama had access to documents ain the six month after his presidency, but you are cool with Trump having documents at home 18 month after his exit?
Trump didn't hide any documents from NARA. If that was his intent he never would have gave them classified documents in those 15 boxes. He would have taken them out and hid them. He did not do that.
NARA had nothing to do with the raid on Mar A Lago. That was the DOJ.
Trump gave NARA the documents (still cooperating) that were classified. That is why they contacted th ...[text shortened]... nts-1677324
It was the DOJ that said Trump was not cooperating. NARA had nothing to do with that.
27 Sep 22
@ponderable saidI don't know that Obama turned over those documents within 6 months. That was just the stated goal and the letter only stated that they would make "best efforts" to meet that goal.
You harp on, that Obama had access to documents ain the six month after his presidency, but you are cool with Trump having documents at home 18 month after his exit?
27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidokay,
I don't know that Obama turned over those documents within 6 months. That was just the stated goal and the letter only stated that they would make "best efforts" to meet that goal.
so Obama might have not complied within 6 month.
trump didn't in 18 month for sure.
There was a signed affadavit, that all documents have been turned over. Maybe another Trump lakai goes to jail...
@ponderable saidNobody is going to be charged with a crime over this.
okay,
so Obama might have not complied within 6 month.
trump didn't in 18 month for sure.
There was a signed affadavit, that all documents have been turned over. Maybe another Trump lakai goes to jail...
Trump is the one who gave himself away by giving NARA the documents.
NARA had nothing to do with the raid and NARA stated that Trump had been cooperating for a year. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
" The organization insists that it has been a part of a mutual ongoing effort to retrieve presidential documents, not a raid.
"Throughout the course of the last year, NARA obtained the cooperation of Trump representatives to locate Presidential records that had not been transferred to the National Archives at the end of the Trump administration," wrote the Archives in a statement."
https://www.newsweek.com/national-archives-denies-raiding-mar-lago-trump-documents-1677324
As far as I can tell Trump never stopped cooperating with NARA. NARA notified the DOJ because of the documents Trump gave them. Either Trump didn't know there were classified documents in those 15 boxes or he didn't care if he was giving them classified documents. Which do you think it is?
"There was a signed affadavit, that all documents have been turned over."
I guess that would explain why NARA told the DOJ about it. But again, Trump provided those document to NARA so they could get the DOJ involved. He can simply claim he didn't know there were classified documents in those 15 boxes so you cannot prove intent.
27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidThe February story again?
Nobody is going to be charged with a crime over this.
Trump is the one who gave himself away by giving NARA the documents.
NARA had nothing to do with the raid and NARA stated that Trump had been cooperating for a year. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
" The organization insists that it has been a part of a mutual ongoing effort to retrieve presidential docu ...[text shortened]... y claim he didn't know there were classified documents in those 15 boxes so you cannot prove intent.
This has already been explained to you.
27 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidTrump cooperated with NARA.
The February story again?
This has already been explained to you.
Do you understand that now?
The only person that revealed Trump had classified documents is Trump himself. He gave NARA some of those classified documents in those 15 boxes he gave to them. That gave NARA a reason to get the DOJ involved.
Trump decided to not cooperate with the DOJ and that gave the DOJ a reason to get the FBI involved.
This was clearly a scandal of Trump's own making. The only question is was it accidental or on purpose.
27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidNo, he didn't. "Cooperation" with the NRA would have been promptly turning over all Presidential records he was illegally keeping.
Trump cooperated with NARA.
Do you understand that now?
The only person that revealed Trump had classified documents is Trump himself. He gave NARA some of those classified documents in those 15 boxes he gave to them. That gave NARA a reason to get the DOJ involved.
Trump decided to not cooperate with the DOJ and that gave the DOJ a reason to get the FBI involved. ...[text shortened]... s was clearly a scandal of Trump's own making. The only question is was it accidental or on purpose.
He never did so.
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27 Sep 22
@metal-brain saidMetal, you keep repeating your lies as if that makes them any less of a lie. It doesn't - it only makes you more of a liar.
Trump never stopped cooperating with NARA.
You have to realise that your KGB handbook's strategy works on Facebook, because the average reader there is completely brainless. It does not work here. You're only exposing yourself as an agent. Just stop it already.
28 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidNARA didn't seem to have a problem with that until Trump gave them classified documents. Giving them classified documents seems like cooperating to me. He could have hid them but didn't. Doesn't that undercut the claim that he was hiding them?
No, he didn't. "Cooperation" with the NRA would have been promptly turning over all Presidential records he was illegally keeping.
He never did so.