Ventilators

@eladar said
It is called political hype.

Why demand? So you can make things look worse to try to make Trump look bad.

It is all politics at this point.

To you it is.

Not to the people trying to save lives.

@no1marauder said
Active cases are 6,220 as of NOW. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm impressed by the medical expertise of right wing posters here; I mean who are the bozos in the Colorado Department of Health & Environment to dare give estimates of what equipment will be needed to deal with this pandemic when we have Joe and Eldy?

Its a scam, and your obviously complacent in promoting it!

"Cumulative Number of Hospitalized Cases of COVID-19 in Colorado by Reported Date of Illness"

Look at the graph you provided me! The new hospitalizations have barely grown since April 2nd! What percentage of those CURRENTLY hospitalized will need a ventilator to survive? How many Ventilators do they currently Have? The number of NEW hospitalizations in Colorado is approaching ZERO!

@no1marauder said
To you it is.

Not to the people trying to save lives.

The people trying to save lives are not in political positions.

@no1marauder said
There are presently 6220 active cases.

Maybe you should take a course in remedial reading. 981 patients in Colorado were hospitalized due to the virus on April 2nd; 1312 are now. Is that "100" in the math you use?

Click Onsted Date in the Drop down.

@joe-shmo said
Click Onsted Date in the Drop down.

Why? "Onset date" is when symptoms first appear; of course, hospitalizations are going to be days, perhaps weeks, after people start showing symptoms in the case of this virus.

So there were 981 people hospitalized om April 2nd; there are 1312 hospitalized now. That's about a 33% increase.

Tell me more about this "scam". Are the 250 dead people from the virus in Colorado just faking?

@no1marauder said
Why? "Onset date" is when symptoms first appear; of course, hospitalizations are going to be days, perhaps weeks, after people start showing symptoms in the case of this virus.

So there were 981 people hospitalized om April 2nd; there are 1312 hospitalized now. That's about a 33% increase.

Tell me more about this "scam".

Is that a total hospitalized number?

@no1marauder said
Why? "Onset date" is when symptoms first appear; of course, hospitalizations are going to be days, perhaps weeks, after people start showing symptoms in the case of this virus.

So there were 981 people hospitalized om April 2nd; there are 1312 hospitalized now. That's about a 33% increase.

Tell me more about this "scam". Are the 250 dead people from the virus in Colorado just faking?

Why, because it is a normalized projection of when the infection began. When people decide to go to the hospital is more volatile to statistical error. Its kind of a correction for how many people should have been in the hospital by April 2, hadn't those infected anywhere between March 29th to April 2 showed up to the hospital on April 3rd.

Anyhow, your argument about my arithmetic is a red herring! Do you deny that the number of new hospitalizations in Colorado has been on the decline and approaching ZERO as is evidenced by the data you provided?

@eladar said
Is that a total hospitalized number?

Looking at the graphs, it is a cumulative number, so some could have been released by now.

@joe-shmo said
Why, because it is a normalized projection of when the infection began. When people decide to go to the hospital is more volatile to statistical error. Its kind of a correction for how many people should have been in the hospital by April 2, hadn't those infected anywhere between March 29th to April 2 showed up to the hospital on April 3rd.

Anyhow, your argument about m ...[text shortened]... s in Colorado has been on the decline and approaching ZERO as is evidenced by the data you provided?

No, 331 in a week isn't "approaching zero".

61 deaths in that week isn't "zero", either.

It does seem that Colorado's social distancing measures taken in late March have succeeded in slowing the spread of the virus. However, they still have over 6,000 active cases and going by the experience of NY (25% hospitalizations; 1/3 of those to the ICU), that means about 500 cases NOW could wind up in the ICU. And the spread of the virus may be slowed, but it hasn't stopped in Colorado.

The bottom line is public health officials there seem to be taking the proper measures by trying to get more ventilators and not just crossing their fingers and hoping the problem will go away.

@no1marauder said
Looking at the graphs, it is a cumulative number, so some could have been released by now.

Yeah, so if I admit 10 people each day then on day 1 there would be 10 while on day 30 there would be 300.

Or if there are now 0 entering the hospital there may have been 2000 admitted over the past month.

Cumulative information tells you nothing about what is happening now.

I can guarantee you that over half those people have been released, either alive or dead.

@no1marauder said
Why? "Onset date" is when symptoms first appear; of course, hospitalizations are going to be days, perhaps weeks, after people start showing symptoms in the case of this virus.

So there were 981 people hospitalized om April 2nd; there are 1312 hospitalized now. That's about a 33% increase.

Tell me more about this "scam". Are the 250 dead people from the virus in Colorado just faking?

Tell me more about this "scam"

The scam is the demonstrably false need for Colorado to procure 500 Ventilators! Its a farce! They threw out that ridiculous number to garner negative press as they correctly anticipated the Administrations reaction of telling them to fak off! The press was there to jump all over it!

@eladar said
Yeah, so if I admit 10 people each day then on day 1 there would be 10 while on day 30 there would be 300.

Or if there are now 0 entering the hospital there may have been 2000 admitted over the past month.

Cumulative information tells you nothing about what is happening now.

I can guarantee you that over half those people have been released, either alive or dead.

Your guarantees are about as worthless as anything I can think of.

The WM site gives Colorado as having 6220 active cases; it seems highly unlikely that they would have less than a 1000 people hospitalized for the virus as of today given the experiences of other States.

@no1marauder said
Your guarantees are about as worthless as anything I can think of.

The WM site gives Colorado as having 6220 active cases; it seems highly unlikely that they would have less than a 1000 people hospitalized for the virus as of today given the experiences of other States.

People who have been hospitalized get released while still active.

@joe-shmo said

Tell me more about this "scam"

The scam is the demonstrably false need for Colorado to procure 500 Ventilators! Its a farce! They threw out that ridiculous number to garner negative press as they correctly anticipated the Administrations reaction of telling them to fak off! The press was there to jump all over it!

The only thing that is "ridiculous" is the preening by right wingers here pretending that they have any knowledge of what steps are medically necessary in the face of a lethal epidemic.

500 seems like a minimum necessary given the scope of this pandemic.

EDIT: Apparently they desperately needed 100 ventilators when, and only when, their Republican Senator who is up for re-election personally asked the Donald for them.