21 Apr 09
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Originally posted by CrowleyI just don't see why walk-outs imply a don't-care attitude... Can you expand on that? In my view, sending officials to say a bunch of platitudes and then do nothing would be much more indicative of a don't-care attitude.
Sure, I was exaggerating for effect, but this issue has been brewing for a long time now and the people who should discuss and debate these issues walk out or boycott a forum set up for the fact.
It just smacks of a don't-care attitude that I can't stand.
I'm not getting up in arms about just this one time - the issue was raised when the conference was held in Durban too...
Besides, many countries expressed concerns that the conference would be an excuse to attack Israel and the so-called 'West', instead of discussing racism in the world. In the very first day, Ahmedinejad (who was asked by Ban-Ki Moon not to focus on divisiveness) decided to throw more wood into the fire and (it seems to me) that the earlier concerns were proven accurate.
Sure, I would also prefer a confrontation within the Conference, but the governments decided otherwise. Not because they don't care, but because they feel finger-pointing ruins any chance of dialogue and wanted to stress they do not see such discourse as legitimate.
21 Apr 09
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Originally posted by CrowleyWalking out is a don't care attitude? The last time I checked it was a form of protest.
Sure, I was exaggerating for effect, but this issue has been brewing for a long time now and the people who should discuss and debate these issues walk out or boycott a forum set up for the fact.
It just smacks of a don't-care attitude that I can't stand.
I'm not getting up in arms about just this one time - the issue was raised when the conference was held in Durban too...
Once both sides are capable of sitting down without name calling and threats perhaps there could be some hope. In the meantime, however, why sit there and listen to such garbage? If its a fight they want they got it.
It doesn't matter if, after the walk-out, Mr. Ahmen-idiot shared with the world the secret to fabricate gold from trash. He once called for throwing Jewish people to the sea!
It's like saying "oh well, Hitler was a monster, but he made a great speech about how sports help young people develop; how cute, how nice, clap clap clap Mr. Adolf".
21 Apr 09
Originally posted by Scriabincan't someone sell that guy a suit?
who said I took you seriously?
as for Iran's so-called "president", please, can't someone sell that guy a suit?
he's a whack job.
anyone who takes him seriously is a rube. You can provide lip service, but really, you look into his eyes, and you have to get the feeling someone else is driving.
he sure needs a tie.
anyone who takes him seriously is a rube
or an extremist (eg scherzo).
21 Apr 09
Originally posted by whodeyI wonder how many times I'll have to cover this same material in this forum? I'd say I've given my opinion on these matters at least a dozen times already.
So you disagree with the creation of the Zionist state? Great for you, however, now what do we do? Living in the past creates a rather pathetic state of affairs, no? We all know people who live in the past and their lives reflect this fact whether they have a greivance or not.
So does the United Nations unite against the Zionist state? Do we let Israel ...[text shortened]... is don't fire till you see the whites of their eyes so everyone pick a side and hunker down!!!
Your idiotic statements are noted, but no one has suggested that "we (whoever that is) let Israel and Iran duke it out until one is destroyed". Or that the UN do anything now about the creation of the Zionist state. It would be nice if European diplomats didn't storm out of the room when someone spoke historical truths.
The problems in the Middle East will only be solved by negotiations between all parties recognizing reality. Israel's existence is now a settled, though unfortunate, reality. The outline of an Israeli-Palestinian settlement are well known. All that remains is the parties, esp. the government of Israel being compelled to do what must be done and agreeing and abiding by it. A Middle Eastern conference with all parties and no preconditions would be a good start.
21 Apr 09
Originally posted by SeitseOf course he didn't, but that false claim, as well as many others, is now the basis of ill-informed public opinion in the West.
It doesn't matter if, after the walk-out, Mr. Ahmen-idiot shared with the world the secret to fabricate gold from trash. He once called for throwing Jewish people to the sea!
It's like saying "oh well, Hitler was a monster, but he made a great speech about how sports help young people develop; how cute, how nice, clap clap clap Mr. Adolf".
21 Apr 09
Originally posted by no1marauderYou can't abolish the israeli state now.
Of course he didn't, but that false claim, as well as many others, is now the basis of ill-informed public opinion in the West.
The best thing people can do now is to stop lauching rockets at each other, and try to repair for possible damage done to palestinians by the israelis and vice-versa, and later have a less hostile palestine-israel relation.
21 Apr 09
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Originally posted by scherzoNo, it is not. There is nothing about ethnicity nor discrimination on that basis in the definition of the word "racism." It is discrimination based on physical attributes identified, politically and socially, as "racial" in nature.
Racism is the discrimination against a specific ethnic group
what, now we make up dictionary definitions? In fact, scherzo does not know what the word racism means.
Neither does that whack job of a Persian with the excessively close set, beady little eyes and even narrower little mind.
hello, planet Earth calling scherzo the mentally challenged poseur pretending to be 1. an American, or 2. an Arab, or 3. a revolutionary, or who knows what, as he is also a whack job.
Racism is defined as:
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Ethnicity is a different word, fool. Ethnicity and race are often used interchangeably although such use is incorrect and often results in confusion. Saying scherzo is confused is being too nice to him.
Ethnicity is defined as:
(n) a term which represents social groups with a shared history, sense of identity, geography and cultural roots which may occur despite racial difference
I ask again, what the good @#%#%R are you even talking about, since you don't know the meaning of the words used?
21 Apr 09
Originally posted by no1marauderthere was no historical truth, merely propaganda and a blatant misuse of the English language (or any language).
I wonder how many times I'll have to cover this same material in this forum? I'd say I've given my opinion on these matters at least a dozen times already.
Your idiotic statements are noted, but no one has suggested that "we (whoever that is) let Israel and Iran duke it out until one is destroyed". Or that the UN do anything now about the ...[text shortened]... A Middle Eastern conference with all parties and no preconditions would be a good start.
There never was nor is there anything racial or racist about the Arab-Israeli conflict.
It is, in fact, a conflict between half-brothers. And each one of the brothers is descended from and comprised of a host of different racial and ethnic and even religious origins.
only a slimy, lying weasel who should grow like an onion with his head in the ground pointing towards hell would agree with the Iranian whack job and call it "historical truth."
that must be you --- numbnuts
21 Apr 09
for the record, and those who aren't ideological and intellectually dishonest slimeballs, the word Race is defined as
(n) a human population considered distinct based on physical characteristics.
Race is predominantly a social and/or political construct - in other words, scientists have discovered that only 2 percent of our genes are ultimately responsible for the visible differences such as skin color.
Although it is not an exact science, social and political groups play a very important role in defining the rules of race.
For example, in some cultures a light skin mulatto who is also upper class may be considered White, while in others, this same individual would classify as Black.
In the realm of whack job left-wing hysterics, Israeli Jews are members of a "race." Arabs who declare in their formal documents that they will kill all the Jews and throw them into the sea, are all a "race."
Of course, linguistically speaking, all this is politics and sheer nonsense.
but people of moderate good will know this -- only whack jobs and the contemptible extremists on either side deny it.