20 Aug 21
@techsouth saidThe "south" in your name makes sense now. As in "antebellum".
Has anyone psychoanalyzed the traits of those that believed the Russian Collusion Hoax?
@techsouth saidA federal investigation concluded Trump's campaign knowingly and willingly accepted help from Russian nationals, yet you call Trump's collusion a "hoax". Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails on live TV, and this actually happened four hours later...but still a "hoax", right?
Your bigotry is on full display. Ironically, you probably see yourself as being against bigotry.
Clearly, Tech"south" has few Confederate flags in his collection
@vivify saidSomehow, you can't even seem to operate without bigotry. Yet I'm sure you see yourself as one of the "good" people and you're just helping me to see my moral shortcomings that are inherent in me because of a characteristic about me of which I have no control (i.e. being from the South). If only all people were as good as you, the world would be so much better. Sadly, I'm pretty sure the irony of this is going to be lost on you.
A federal investigation concluded Trump's campaign knowingly and willingly accepted help from Russian nationals, yet you call Trump's collusion a "hoax". Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails on live TV, and this actually happened four hours later...but still a "hoax", right?
Clearly, Tech"south" has few Confederate flags in his collection
But let me see if I understand you. And for this purpose, let's stipulate that Trump accepted help from Russian nationals. I have limited time for tangents, so I don't want to debate that (hence I just stipulate it's true). Although it should be noted that "Russian Nationals" is not the same as "Russia" as in the Russian government. Also, Trump joked about finding Hillary's "lost" emails that could have been incriminating. Whatever hack occurred had nothing to do with "lost" emails and were not incriminating (but they were embarrassing), so it seems even if Russians were behind the hack, they weren't getting orders from Trump because they didn't do what he jokingly requested. Isn't your theory that these are cause and affect just a "theory"? And isn't it a theory about a "conspiracy"? Do you have proof? If you don't have proof, shouldn't you just drop it and move on?
So, what is your definition of a "conspiracy theory"? Is a conspiracy theory, by definition false? So in order to know if something is a conspiracy theory, do you have to already know whether it is true or false? That seems to lead to a really tough "chicken and egg" problem, doesn't it? How do we know if something is true or false without a serious investigation? Should we just assume that the evening news is omniscient and omnibenevolence? Really?
I'm not suggesting that we need to take QAnon seriously. Personally I couldn't even summarize what QANon is supposed to have been. But you can't have it both ways. Either human beings engage in nefarious conspiracies or they don't. If they do, then it is only reasonable to to assume that at least some "conspiracy theories" involving democrats are true, even if ordinary people such as us don't have investigative resources nor subpoena power to find out which ones. If "conspiracy theories" are by definition false, then we have to include all allegations against Trump as well. That includes all allegations that have not yet already been proven. And we can't waste time trying to prove them because until they're proven, they're just baseless "conspiracy theories".
Or, is the standard about what is a "conspiracy theory" versus what is a "reasonable suspicion" all dependent on how they're reported in the evening news. Are we to assume that the evening news is both omniscient and omnibenevolent? Really?
Let me circle back to the allegation that Trump took help from "Russian Nationals". This is being treated as if it were unprecedented in US history. Does anyone engage in their own thinking, or are our opinions just assigned to us by the news sources we consume? Consider these articles from 2016 before the election:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-campaign-enlists-undocumented-dreamers-for-voter-registration-drive
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-hispanics/undocumented-immigrants-given-roles-at-democratic-convention-idUSKCN10211W
It seems that Hillary was using "undocumented Dreamers" to help with voter registration and to speak at the convention. Aren't these foreign nationals? This was done openly and no one batted an eye. How is this different than what Trump was accused of doing?
20 Aug 21
@Mott-The-Hoople
Sounds like that one got to you. When will you admit you have been duped by a sociopath con artist, your god king Trump?
20 Aug 21
@shavixmir saidI don't know, man:
As to the main question.
I think people want simple answers to very complicated situations.
It’s easier to accept that there’s a singular brain behind something rather than a whole lot of smaller situations leading up to a complicated mess.
And governments do lie. People do steal. Etc.
There is an information gap. We don’t know everything. Science is exactly that ...[text shortened]... gs which aren’t really there.
Gods, conspiracies, the feeling that it is you they are after, etc.
Serpent DNA, children being eaten by Satan-worshipping Tom Hanks to gain eternal life, Sandy Hook shooting just an orchestrated plot involving paid actors....
That all sounds far more complicated than the truth.
20 Aug 21
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@techsouth saidThat's an idiotic statement.
Trump joked about finding Hillary's "lost" emails that could have been incriminating. Whatever hack occurred had nothing to do with "lost" emails and were not incriminating (but they were embarrassing), so it seems even if Russians were behind the hack, they weren't getting orders from Trump because they didn't do what he jokingly requested.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
Trump asked Russia to find Clinton’s emails. On or around the same day, Russians targeted her accounts
A hack was made at Trump's request, the same day Trump asked. Just because they failed to find the specific thing Trump wanted doesn't mean they didn't act on what Trump told them to do.
This is your logic: if I ask people to break into your house and find money, I'm not responsible for the break-in if they failed to find any. Your logic is idiotic.
So, what is your definition of a "conspiracy theory"?
A "conspiracy theory" usually refers to claims made without evidence, or even claims that have been debunked. Trump's Russia collusion is obviously not that; scores of evidence tying Trump's campaign to Russia was found, according to the Mueller report.
20 Aug 21
@vivify saidSo it is your contention that because Trump joked about finding lost emails that all of the following must be true:
That's an idiotic statement. Here:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
Trump asked Russia to find Clinton’s emails. On or around the same day, Russians targeted her accounts
A hack was made at Trump's request, the same day Trump asked. Just because they fail ...[text shortened]... hat; scores of evidence tying Trump's campaign to Russia was found, according to the Mueller report.
(1) The Russians hacked Hillary's accounts.
(2) The hacking occurred between the time Trump made his joke and the time the subsequent emails were released.
and
(3) They did it because Trump "asked" them to via a joke.
(4) Being "asked" by a politician in a joking, public, and indirect manner is sufficient to employ the services of the best Russian government hackers.
In your mind, using all your imagination, you cannot think of a single different plausible explanation? Wow!!!
@techsouth saidWhat "joke"?
So it is your contention that because Trump joked about finding lost emails that all of the following must be true:
(1) The Russians hacked Hillary's accounts.
(2) The hacking occurred between the time Trump made his joke and the time the subsequent emails were released.
and
(3) They did it because Trump "asked" them to via a joke.
(4) Being "asked" by a politician i ...[text shortened]... d, using all your imagination, you cannot think of a single different plausible explanation? Wow!!!
Trump's exact words:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press”.
You desperately want this framed as a "joke", but nothing in the context of what Trump said indicated he was kidding or didn't actually want this to happen.
If there was no collusion, there wouldn't have been 34 indictments and 7 convictions related to the Russia investigation.
20 Aug 21
@sonhouse saidit did...;it equals knocking the fuk out of you hypocrites.
@Mott-The-Hoople
Sounds like that one got to you. When will you admit you have been duped by a sociopath con artist, your god king Trump?
20 Aug 21
@techsouth saidNothing beats a comedian as president…
Somehow, you can't even seem to operate without bigotry. Yet I'm sure you see yourself as one of the "good" people and you're just helping me to see my moral shortcomings that are inherent in me because of a characteristic about me of which I have no control (i.e. being from the South). If only all people were as good as you, the world would be so much better. Sadly, I'm ...[text shortened]... s done openly and no one batted an eye. How is this different than what Trump was accused of doing?
21 Aug 21
@techsouth saidIt’s your contention that he was joking but I guess your contentions constitute reality.
So it is your contention that because Trump joked about finding lost emails that all of the following must be true:
(1) The Russians hacked Hillary's accounts.
(2) The hacking occurred between the time Trump made his joke and the time the subsequent emails were released.
and
(3) They did it because Trump "asked" them to via a joke.
(4) Being "asked" by a politician i ...[text shortened]... d, using all your imagination, you cannot think of a single different plausible explanation? Wow!!!
Do you believe that if a rapist laughs during the act it means he’s joking and there was no actual rape?
21 Aug 21
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@techsouth saidObviously that was proven correct by an extensive investigation.
Has anyone psychoanalyzed the traits of those that believed the Russian Collusion Hoax?
The conspiracy theory is that none of that actually happened, but instead a nefarious group of deep state child porn-peddling operatives with hidden identities (who might be reptoids) cooked up the entire thing to derail the presidential campaign.
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidRussian Collusion was a Hoax. It has been thoroughly discredited because they fabricated evidence and got caught. Crowdstrike also admitted they had no evidence Russia hacked the DNC. You have been told this before. You are in denial.
Obviously that was proven correct by an extensive investigation.
The conspiracy theory is that none of that actually happened, but instead a nefarious group of deep state child porn-peddling operatives with hidden identities (who might be reptoids) cooked up the entire thing to derail the presidential campaign.