22 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidI am absolutely not making a lot of nothing. I am just saying it was not a hoax or a conspiracy theory. It really happened.
"The Trump campaign was communicating frequently with Russian nationals"
That is still not Trump. People are allowed to do opposition research. That is not illegal. Democrats have ties to Russia too. You are making a lot out of nothing.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
"Russia made multipl ...[text shortened]... ive me two examples. Advertising RT News is not election interference. Nothing nefarious took place.
Regarding examples, you can start on page 19 here:
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
22 Aug 21
@vivify saidFinally we are getting somewhere. So you now admit the DNC colluded with a foreign national to dig up dirt on Trump. Why was the DNC never prosecuted or investigated? That took place long before the Trump tower meeting. The law was clearly not enforced when the DNC colluded with Steele. His Dossier even contained false or unproven allegations.
You're alleging that Dems also colluded: that doesn't let Trump off the hook, does it? Anyone, Dem or Rep, who colludes with foreign nationals are committing crimes.
Saying "Dems did it too" doesn't let Trump off the hook.
As far as "prove" that Russian lawyer was a foreign national, I already did so with the BBC link. This is well known, regardless of your ignorance.
That doesn't let the DNC off the hook either. So what do you suggest? Hold them all accountable or none of them? ....and what about Debbie Wasserman Shultz? She conspired to do election meddling when she was in the DNC. She said she wanted to stop Bernie Sanders and said they would stop him. It was a conspiracy to rig the primary election against Sanders. DWS expressed intent and willingness to follow through with that election meddling. She was forced to resign but that is all. Then Hillary Clinton hired her to work in her campaign rewarding DWS for her loyalty.
Is the only reason DWS did not get charged with a crime is because she didn't collude with a foreigner? Is internal election meddling permitted in the USA?
You didn't prove the Russian lawyer was a Russian national. DJT jr. admitted he met with a Russian lawyer, not a Russian national. Not that it is relevant. The DNC has ties to Fusion GPS because they hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research. The Russian lawyer worked for Fusion GPS. So the DNC has ties to the Russian lawyer as well. That just makes it look like the DNC hired her to set up DJT jr. It is very suspicious.
I say stick it to all of them. They are all criminals regardless of political party affiliation.
22 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidWhat really happened?
I am absolutely not making a lot of nothing. I am just saying it was not a hoax or a conspiracy theory. It really happened.
Regarding examples, you can start on page 19 here:
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
People in the Trump campaign met with Russians. So what? Democrats do the same thing. It is not illegal. Heck, Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and former CTO of CrowdStrike was born in Russia. That is the same CrowdStrike that admitted there was no evidence Russia hacked the DNC after saying there was. So here you have a Russian born man that lied about the DNC hack until they had to answer under oath with penalty of perjury if they lied.
Your examples are extremely redacted and they don't prove anything you claim. Perhaps you should read your own info.
@metal-brain saidWrong. I'm saying whether they did or not, it wouldn't let Trump of the hook. This "whataboutism" won't work.
So you now admit the DNC colluded with a foreign national to dig up dirt on Trump.
You didn't prove the Russian lawyer was a Russian national.
I already posted a link from the BBC stating she's a Kremlin-linked lawyer. Keep ignoring the link all you want, but your false claim was refuted.
To review: DT Jr. admitted meeting with a foreign national to get dirt on Hillary, which is proof Trump's campaign colluded. This happened at Trump Tower; there's no way Trump didn't know about it, which means he approved of colluding.
That alone is incriminating, but there's scores of other evidence against Trump in Mueller's report; thirty-four indictments and seven convictions resulted from that investigation.
You have no argument.
23 Aug 21
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@vivify saidNo, DT jr. did not admit to meeting a foreign national and even if he did the DNC did too. You cannot selectively prosecute people based on partisan bias. Nobody is off the hook.
Wrong. I'm saying whether they did or not, it wouldn't let Trump of the hook. This "whataboutism" won't work.
You didn't prove the Russian lawyer was a Russian national.
I already posted a link from the BBC stating she's a Kremlin-linked lawyer. Keep ignoring the link all you want, but your false claim was refuted.
To review: DT Jr. admitted meeting with ...[text shortened]... y-four indictments and seven convictions resulted from that investigation.
You have no argument.
You want the law to apply to Trump, but not the DNC. That is a double standard. You do not want to confront that double standard logically because of your partisan bias. None of them has been prosecuted, but Trump was the victim of a witch hunt by Mueller who went on witch hunt before when he went after Steven Hatfill. Mueller seems to be the witch hunt in chief. The anthrax investigation proves that.
Either you live with nobody being prosecuted for opposition research or you prosecute them all for it. You want democrats to get off the hook. That is unfair and you know it. You are just like sonhouse. You have trump derangement syndrome and don't care about equal application of the law. You support using the law as a political weapon to punish people unequally. Inequality is why your argument has failed. Lose the cognitive dissonance. Everybody sees your double think. You are applying two contradicting beliefs and it is obvious to the unbiased.
You have no argument. Hypocrisy is no excuse. You didn't say "Russian" foreign nationals. You said foreign nationals. Steele is a foreign national. Prosecute the DNC and we can move on to Trump and stick it to him. Justice has to be universal. If it is selectively applied it is no longer justice. It is vengeance with disregard to fairness.
Do you care about fairness?
23 Aug 21
@vivify saidYou believe a conspiracy theory.
"What causes belief in conspiracy theories?"
Based on responses from Metal Brain and Tech "antebellum" South, the answer is obviously willing stupidity.
Russiagate is a conspiracy theory and you bought into it.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz did the election meddling. Whoever leaked the DNC emails exposed election meddling. That is why DWS resigned from the DNC. Exposing election meddling is not election meddling.
You have been duped into thinking exposing DNC election meddling is election meddling. It isn't. Seth Rich probably leaked the documents from an inside job. There is no evidence it was Russia, but even if Russia did you should thank them. Exposing election meddling is a great service to any nation. It makes election more fair.
Do you care about fairness?