21 Aug 21
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@metal-brain saidhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377
She was not a Russian national and jr. didn't think that. She had ties to the DNC and Hillary Clinton. That is a fact.
Trump Jr. freely admitted he met with a Kremlin-linked lawyer to gain dirt on Hillary. AKA: collusion.
Let me guess, you don't believe Trump Jr.'s *own admission* either, right?
21 Aug 21
@vivify saidTrump jr. is not Trump. The lawyer had no links to the Russian government. She had links to the DNC. She worked for the DNC.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377
Trump Jr. freely admitted he met with a Kremlin-linked lawyer to gain dirt on Hillary. AKA: collusion.
Let me guess, you don't believe Trump Jr.'s *own admission* either, right?
Even if it was true it would only prove the DNC and HRC had ties to a Kremlin-linked lawyer. Also, there is nothing wrong with trying to gain dirt on a political opponent. It is called Opposition research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_research
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass said"The Trump campaign was communicating frequently with Russian nationals"
Right. I'm not disagreeing with you. You're picking around the edges and specific details, but the central findings show that the Russia election interference story was not a hoax. The Trump campaign was communicating frequently with Russian nationals, Russia made multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our elections, and several Trump campaign officials lied or refuse ...[text shortened]... rump campaign officials and Russian nationals were not intended to benefit the campaign in some way.
That is still not Trump. People are allowed to do opposition research. That is not illegal. Democrats have ties to Russia too. You are making a lot out of nothing.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
"Russia made multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our elections"
Give me two examples. Advertising RT News is not election interference. Nothing nefarious took place.
21 Aug 21
From the link below:
“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for President Trump’s legal team.
“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier," he said."
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Russian-lawyer-ties-DNC/2017/07/09/id/800676/
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidThe BBC refutes you. I'll go with a globally-respected publication over what a conspiracy-theorist claims.
The lawyer had no links to the Russian government.
Trump jr. is not Trump.
Weak. Not only did Jr. play a key role in Trump's election campaign, he also held the meeting at Trump Tower. You honestly think a meeting with a Kremlin-linked lawyer held at Trump's own property happened without his knowledge?
You conservatives can't connect these obvious dots, yet believe there are traces of bamboo on election ballots proving they came from China.
21 Aug 21
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@metal-brain saidNewsmax. The unbiased pillar of truth.
From the link below:
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Russian-lawyer-ties-DNC/2017/07/09/id/800676/
21 Aug 21
@vivify saidOpposition research is not illegal.
The BBC refutes you. I'll go with a globally-respected publication over what a conspiracy-theorist claims.
Trump jr. is not Trump.
Weak. Not only did Jr. play a key role in Trump's election campaign, he also held the meeting at Trump Tower. You honestly think a meeting with a Kremlin-linked lawyer held at Trump's own property happened without his knowledge? ...[text shortened]... vious dots, yet believe there are traces of bamboo on election ballots proving they came from China.
The Russiagate investigation was started by a mere unconfirmed rumor. There was no evidence and Mueller found none after a lengthy investigation. Furthermore, there is no evidence Natalia Veselnitskaya was working for the Russian government. Being a Russian doesn't mean someone has ties to the Kremlin. If that were the case Democrats would be guilty of Russian collusion.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
Everybody talks with Russians. It isn't illegal.
@metal-brain saidThere seems to be a considerable effort to separate Trump from people close to him.
"The Trump campaign was communicating frequently with Russian nationals"
That is still not Trump. People are allowed to do opposition research. That is not illegal. Democrats have ties to Russia too. You are making a lot out of nothing.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
"Russia made multipl ...[text shortened]... ive me two examples. Advertising RT News is not election interference. Nothing nefarious took place.
Even his own family.
Putting Trump in a bubble.
But the general optics that the public go by will always be "where there's smoke there's fire".
You guys are expending a lot of your energy and time giving us the "prove it" schtick.
At the end of the day ...
Where's there's smoke, there is fire !!
Your Messiah is dirty.
@metal-brain saidIt is if you're colluding with foreign nationals:
People are allowed to do opposition research. That is not illegal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/12/can-it-be-a-crime-to-do-opposition-research-by-asking-foreigners-for-information/
Case closed.
The only reason Don Jr. wasn't arrested is because of the stipulation that one has to "know" this is illegal. Don Jr. obviously knew it was illegal, given his initial attempts to hide or lie about the meeting. That's the loophole that kept Don Jr. out of handcuffs; that he can just claim he didn't know he was committing a crime.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/732340501/fact-check-foreign-interference-and-opposition-research-are-not-the-same
@vivify saidYou have not proven any foreign nationals colluded with Trump. You are claiming Trump is guilty even though democrats did the same thing. Even if you could prove Natalia Veselnitskaya was a foreign national (which you cannot) all it would prove is that the DNC also have ties to her. Fusion GPS did opposition research for the DNC so they were trying to dig up dirt on Trump.
It is if you're colluding with foreign nationals:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/07/12/can-it-be-a-crime-to-do-opposition-research-by-asking-foreigners-for-information/
Case closed.
The only reason Don Jr. wasn't arrested is because of the stipulation that one has to "know" this is illegal. Don Jr. obviously knew it was illegal, given h ...[text shortened]... pr.org/2019/06/13/732340501/fact-check-foreign-interference-and-opposition-research-are-not-the-same
The DNC has ties to Natalia Veselnitskaya. According to your logic the DNC is guilty of a crime. Is your position that Trump and the DNC are both guilty of the same crime or not? Resolve the contradiction.
I already gave you proof the democrats collude with Russians. Here it is again.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/373363-democratic-ties-to-russia-are-ample-and-often-ethically-dubious
"The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Mark Warner (D-Va.), had extensive contact with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch to help connect with the author of the anti-Trump “dossier.” Warner reportedly texted at the time that he didn’t wish to “leave a paper trail.” Warner allegedly waited six months before disclosing the contacts to the committee, which is investigating Russia matters.
The anti-Trump “dossier” that the FBI secretly used to justify wiretaps on a Trump adviser was compiled by a man at a political opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, who relied on and quoted Russian sources who are close to President Putin."
Mark Warner has ties to a Russian oligarch. That is even worse than what you are complaining about. Did he commit a crime too? You need to resolve these double standards. Double think is not rational. It is the temporary mental illness of the partisan biased.
Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm.
Steele authored a dossier using anonymous sources that claims Russia collected a file of compromising information on U.S. President Donald Trump. He is a foreign national with direct ties to a foreign government. The DNC colluded with him. They asked a foreigner for information. It was also information that affected the election and so it is election interference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
Lose the cognitive dissonance. It is illogical to hold contradictory beliefs at the same time. Resolve the contradiction logically.
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@metal-brain saidYou're alleging that Dems also colluded: that doesn't let Trump off the hook, does it? Anyone, Dem or Rep, who colludes with foreign nationals are committing crimes.
You have not proven any foreign nationals colluded with Trump. You are claiming Trump is guilty even though democrats did the same thing. Even if you could prove Natalia Veselnitskaya was a foreign national (which you cannot) all it would prove is that the DNC also have ties to her. Fusion GPS did opposition research for the DNC so they were trying to dig up dirt on Trump ...[text shortened]... It is illogical to hold contradictory beliefs at the same time. Resolve the contradiction logically.
Saying "Dems did it too" doesn't let Trump off the hook.
As far as "prove" that Russian lawyer was a foreign national, I already did so with the BBC link. This is well known, regardless of your ignorance.