21 Aug 21
@metal-brain said7 Convictions. 35 indictments. All from an investigation led by Republicans.
Russian Collusion was a Hoax. It has been thoroughly discredited because they fabricated evidence and got caught. Crowdstrike also admitted they had no evidence Russia hacked the DNC. You have been told this before. You are in denial.
You have no argument.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidYeah I was just referring to the details of the Mueller report. I don't know what you're referring to at all. At least 170 documented contacts between Trump's campaign and Russian nationals seems like they had a mutual interest in getting Trump elected. It's not normal business practice for campaigns to do that. That's not a conspiracy theory it is just a campaign coordinating with foreign nationals. There's probably lots of other conspiracies like the Crowdstrike thing (i don't know what that is) but the Trump campaign-Russia coordination details are all documented and none have been discredited or refuted. Trump called it a "beautiful" report.
Russian Collusion was a Hoax. It has been thoroughly discredited because they fabricated evidence and got caught. Crowdstrike also admitted they had no evidence Russia hacked the DNC. You have been told this before. You are in denial.
21 Aug 21
@vivify saidNone of which involved DJT directly. 7 convictions is nothing. Compare that to the Iran/Contra investigation.
7 Convictions. 35 indictments. All from an investigation led by Republicans.
You have no argument.
You have no argument.
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidDefine Russian nationals. Then prove any of them were.
Yeah I was just referring to the details of the Mueller report. I don't know what you're referring to at all. At least 170 documented contacts between Trump's campaign and Russian nationals seems like they had a mutual interest in getting Trump elected. It's not normal business practice for campaigns to do that. That's not a conspiracy theory it is just a campaign coordinat ...[text shortened]... are all documented and none have been discredited or refuted. Trump called it a "beautiful" report.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidI'm referring to the mueller report. They did the definitions and the investigation.
Define Russian nationals. Then prove any of them were.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidSo your complaint is that not enough people were convicted? Yawn.
None of which involved DJT directly. 7 convictions is nothing. Compare that to the Iran/Contra investigation.
You have no argument.
It was Trump's campaign. Of course it involved him directly. Right-wingers will only accept a recording from Trump to Putin saying "thank you for colluding". as evidence.
Funny thing about conspiracy theorists like Metal Brain: they'll believe in Satan-worshipping lizard people, but they won't believe Trump's own words asking Russia to hack Hillary, followed by Russia hacking Hillary, is evidence of collusion.
But Alex Jones saying the government's dumping chemicals into the water that turn frogs gay....totally obvious.
21 Aug 21
@vivify saidEven that would be met with "oh come on, he was joking" on Fox & Friends.
So your complaint is that not enough people were convicted? Yawn.
It was Trump's campaign. Of course it involved him directly. Right-wingers will only accept a recording from Trump to Putin saying "thank you for colluding". as evidence.
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidThere is no direct connection between DJT and collusion with the Russian government. That is why you are wrong. Take the Trump tower meeting with jr. for example. They were nothing more than Russian citizens. They have no connection to the Russian government prior to the Trump tower meeting, but at least one of them had connections to the DNC and HRC too, since she had control of the DNC before winning the primary election.
I'm referring to the mueller report. They did the definitions and the investigation.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidTrump Jr. *thought* he was meeting with a Russian national, though. They thought wrong. This is well documented.
Take the Trump tower meeting with jr. for example. They were nothing more than Russian citizens.
That meeting was proof that the Trump campaign deliberately tried to collude with foreign agents.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidI don't know what you mean by 'direct'.
There is no direct connection between DJT and collusion with the Russian government. That is why you are wrong. Take the Trump tower meeting with jr. for example. They were nothing more than Russian citizens. They have no connection to the Russian government prior to the Trump tower meeting, but at least one of them had connections to the DNC and HRC too, since she had control of the DNC before winning the primary election.
Instead here's Mueller:
The “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
21 Aug 21
@wildgrass saidDirect meaning DJT was proven to be involved. There is no proof of that.
I don't know what you mean by 'direct'.
Instead here's Mueller:
The “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
It was no secret the Russians didn't like HRC. There is no evidence the Russian gov. worked to secure that outcome any more than Americans did so. Everybody tries to influence elections. You do it and so do I. The notion that Russia did any more of it than domestic news agencies is ridiculously absurd.
Russiagate is a conspiracy theory and now it is a debunked conspiracy theory. There is no evidence Russia hacked the DNC. That was just disinformation.
21 Aug 21
@vivify saidShe was not a Russian national and jr. didn't think that. She had ties to the DNC and Hillary Clinton. That is a fact.
Conspiracy theorists like Metal Brain will believe Hillary Clinton is running a child-sex ring from a pizza shop, but Don Jr. trying to collude with (what he thought was) a Russian national...nothing to see here.
21 Aug 21
@metal-brain saidRight. I'm not disagreeing with you. You're picking around the edges and specific details, but the central findings show that the Russia election interference story was not a hoax. The Trump campaign was communicating frequently with Russian nationals, Russia made multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our elections, and several Trump campaign officials lied or refused to speak with investigators.
Direct meaning DJT was proven to be involved. There is no proof of that.
It was no secret the Russians didn't like HRC. There is no evidence the Russian gov. worked to secure that outcome any more than Americans did so. Everybody tries to influence elections. You do it and so do I. The notion that Russia did any more of it than domestic news agencies is ridiculously ab ...[text shortened]... ebunked conspiracy theory. There is no evidence Russia hacked the DNC. That was just disinformation.
I think it would be foolish to think that all those 170 documented contacts (phone calls and meetings) between Trump campaign officials and Russian nationals were not intended to benefit the campaign in some way.