The composting toilet;
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1year; from fecease to soil.
Garden and household waste;
Hair is high in nitrogen, good for plants. Leave out banana skins and egg shells they attract rats.
Turn tyres into a house!;
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=962103cd-1e71-4526-b671-38be6c4d7c46
Suply energy from chicken poo;
http://www.greendaily.com/2008/09/10/dutch-turn-to-chicken-poo-for-biomass-energy-source/
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIf people want to recycle, I'm not going to stop them. But usually, it doesn't make any economic sense, and as soon as it does commercial companies will do it for you.People are lazy they'll need a push, or maybe if they need to tighten their belts or if dumping became expencive. How can it not make economic sense? It's reducing the need to purchase something tyres cost to despose of so that'd make for cheap building materials surely?What if everyone did though, do you think the world would 'be a better place' imiagine if Shirley and the others in that cult had to recycle, maybe they'd be too busy for all the other stuff they do. 😉
Originally posted by yo its meWell, if everyone crapped on farms, they would need less fertilizer, but it still doesn't make any economic sense.
People are lazy they'll need a push, or maybe if they need to tighten their belts or if dumping became expencive. How can it not make economic sense? It's reducing the need to purchase something tyres cost to despose of so that'd make for cheap building materials surely?What if everyone did though, do you think the world would 'be a better place' imiagine ...[text shortened]... in that cult had to recycle, maybe they'd be too busy for all the other stuff they do. 😉
If dumping or the raw materials became expensive then recycling would make sense. But as I stated before, commercial companies would do it for you if there was a market for it.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraCommercial companies do do it for you! Don't you pay to have your sewage taken away and buy compost to grow your plants in?
Well, if everyone crapped on farms, they would need less fertilizer, but it still doesn't make any economic sense.
If dumping or the raw materials became expensive then recycling would make sense. But as I stated before, commercial companies would do it for you if there was a market for it.
The U.S. Recycling Economic Information (REI) Study is a national study that demonstrates the importance of recycling and reuse to the U.S. economy. According to the study, the recycling and reuse industry consists of approximately 56,000 establishments that employ over 1.1 million people, generate an annual payroll of nearly $37 billion, and gross over $236 billion in annual revenues.
see http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/rrr/rmd/rei-rw/result.htm
see also http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/rrr/rmd/econres.htm
for links to resources on the social and environmental benefits of recycling as well as regional and state-specific recycling economic impact reports.
Recycling only works if two conditions exist.
Funding provided to recyclers by the gov.
or
Partial recycling of some products. you cannot recycle 100 percent of most things because it increases the supply thus driving down the value of the recycled material. Instead of getting 100 bux/tonne, you might only get 10 bux/tonne. If your cost to collect the material is 50 bux/tonne, you lose money.
The only way recycling can work is if its funded by governements. Good luck getting taxpayers to agree to that. If you only recycle a portion of the waste stream then you will have viable recycling markets but you will still need landfill and/or incinerators to dispose of the material you don't recycle.
It's all about the money. Be carefull the next time you put that plastic tub in the recycle bin instead of the garbage bin....you might be putting someone out of a job.
Originally posted by uzlessThe idea that waste is good because it encourages further economic activity through further consumption of fresh as yet unexploited resources has got to be one of the most asinine - head in the sand - ideologies, that will ensure an earth that when it finally reaches the tipping point, will rapidly go into inexorable decline.
It's all about the money. Be carefull the next time you put that plastic tub in the recycle bin instead of the garbage bin....you might be putting someone out of a job.
Originally posted by kmax87So we'll put you in the "GOVERNMENT FUNDED RECYCLING" category then. How much more money are you willing to give the government to recycle the things you don't want anymore?
The idea that waste is good because it encourages further economic activity through further consumption of fresh as yet unexploited resources has got to be one of the most asinine - head in the sand - ideologies, that will ensure an earth that when it finally reaches the tipping point, will rapidly go into inexorable decline.
Originally posted by kmax87The point is that recycling will be economically viable (it already is for some goods, of course) without government funding far before resources become so scarce.
The idea that waste is good because it encourages further economic activity through further consumption of fresh as yet unexploited resources has got to be one of the most asinine - head in the sand - ideologies, that will ensure an earth that when it finally reaches the tipping point, will rapidly go into inexorable decline.
silly argument over whether recycling is good or bad. It depends on a lot of factors.
my county government, for example, requires recycling because all that paper and the plastic and aluminum cans take up a huge amount of increasingly valuable and scarce landfill space. The county recovers a degree of its waste handling costs thru the program.
recently, the city in another state where I keep a 2nd home also instituted recycling -- because it helped reduce its waste handling costs.
It isn't ideology, it is the cost of waste handling that drives governments into recycling. Landfills are increasingly more costly as land availability decreases, the cost of transportation and of making the landfills less harmful due to runoff or vapor intrusion, etc.
The arguments I see here against recycling lack any specific facts cited - mere assertions. They appear to be ideological in nature.
I'm listening.. Where are the facts?