08 Apr 09
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Originally posted by kmax87Knuckle head huh? a little name calling to get your jollies? too bad it's hollow, why not read the two relevant posts and cite "planned obsolecence" and all the other bs from those posts rather than introducing it ex post facto.
People aren't making that decision or choice knuckle head. Ever hear of planned obsolescence where products are produced in ways that barely let them get past their warranties? Industry thinks its okay to produce cheap throwaway items and items that have very short life spans because they get to produce the replacement items in ever shorter product cycles. ...[text shortened]... If you think that is a delusion, then you have cognitive, observational and perceptual issues.
from uzless "It's all about the money. Be carefull the next time you put that plastic tub in the recycle bin instead of the garbage bin....you might be putting someone out of a job.
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from kmax "The idea that waste is good because it encourages further economic activity through further consumption of fresh as yet unexploited resources has got to be one of the most asinine - head in the sand - ideologies, that will ensure an earth that when it finally reaches the tipping point, will rapidly go into inexorable decline."
How's the old tipping point going anyway, always just around the corner? and always requiring urgent, drastic action (regulation)? One devout greenie said we'd already reached it, once it was pointed out that if it had all their whining about more and more controls would be redundant....well helllooo...it gets revised forward to the future, the not too distant future.
The choice is there kmax, we're not all helpless before the corporate marketing machine with only you and a few of your mates with the ability to see the light. The way vehicles are designed with every hinge, switch, bolt, panel, bush, either trimmed or beefed up to have a similar life as the rest of the vehicle is good. And what is that life? The number one reason to dump a vehicle is the ever increasing regulation, yep maybe the corporations are to blame, or rather just one corporation, the biggest and baddest of them all, guvamint.
That you believe there might be some great conspiracy between companies to drip feed advancements indicates where the name "knuclehead" really belongs, that there is a 367 day timebomb built into a product with a one year warranty just confirms it. They're all falling over each other trying to offer better and better products, that existing lines are not over engineered is a good thing, why build something that lasts 20 years when it will be obsolete in one year, not a planned obsolescence, but an in inevitable obolescence caused by the accelerating advances in technology.
...but that is the typical anti-human attitude of greenies, don't celebrate achievements, try to put the brakes on, let's all huddle in the dark for an hour and save the planet.
08 Apr 09
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Originally posted by WajomaThats a nice fantasy to comfort yourself when you go to sleep, but work in a design office for a few months(I have) and see what the 2 over-riding considerations for any design innovation is.
They're all falling over each other trying to offer better and better products, that existing lines are not over engineered is a good thing, why build something that lasts 20 years when it will be obsolete in one year, not a planned obsolescence, but an in inevitable obolescence caused by the accelerating advances in technology.
Just in case you missed it
1.) Fewer parts than the previous model (if and where possible)
2) lowered cost of production. ( a consequence of 1.) )
That's business, its not personal and everyone's playing the same game. Well if you cant zoom out and work out how that attitude plays on a macro scale, then stick your head back into the sand and enjoy the bugs you find. You're welcome to it. 😲
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87Wooo
Thats a nice fantasy to comfort yourself when you go to sleep, but work in a design office for a few months(I have) and see what the 2 over-riding considerations for any design innovation is.
Just in case you missed it
1.) Fewer parts than the previous model (if and where possible)
2) lowered cost of production. ( a consequence of 1.) )
That's bus ...[text shortened]... then stick your head back into the sand and enjoy the bugs you find. You're welcome to it. 😲
talk about stating the obvious
Fewer parts? realllly, why would they do that.
Lowered cost of production? jeez they must be mad.
cheers for that captain eye bleeding obvious.
sheer genius
my compliments (with sheer sarcasm)
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08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87What was your input?
Thats a nice fantasy to comfort yourself when you go to sleep, but work in a design office for a few months(I have) and see what the 2 over-riding considerations for any design innovation is.
Just in case you missed it
1.) Fewer parts than the previous model (if and where possible)
2) lowered cost of production. ( a consequence of 1.) )
That's bus ...[text shortened]... then stick your head back into the sand and enjoy the bugs you find. You're welcome to it. 😲
Replace the engine with a lump of wood?
wallah, fewer parts and cheaper to produce.
No wonder it was only two months.
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by WajomaWell while you are having your orgy of disbelief, what do you think this quest, as a design philosophy, does to the quality and strength of the consumer products we have available on our shelves? And before you say we have a choice, the point is that these **benevolent and **beneficent corporations in the absence of any voice saying hang on mate, do you have any idea what your swarm of locust style activities are doing to the environment, we should be glad because they made it all so easy?
cheers for that captain eye bleeding obvious.
sheer genius
my compliments (with sheer sarcasm)
Hey when they deny you insurance because your genes arent good enough and when they tell your grandchildren one day that Pops has to be put down because he is no longer a productive member of society, I hope you take comfort from the knowledge that you choice this path and your want to give these **wonderful organisations unbridled access to the environment and influence over your person was given freely and you denied control to those do-gooder bureaucrats who were concerned that people mattered more than products or profits.
** maybe a hint of sarcasm
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87You don't want to know about my Pop and how socialised medicine let him down and how my sisters and I nursed him through his last days of leukemia because his last wish was "Don't send me back to that place".
Well while you are having your orgy of disbelief, what do you think this quest, as a design philosophy, does to the quality and strength of the consumer products we have available on our shelves? And before you say we have a choice, the point is that these **benevolent and **beneficent corporations in the absence of any voice saying hang on mate, do you have ...[text shortened]... ere concerned that people mattered more than products or profits.
** maybe a hint of sarcasm
How any of that has got anything to do with the topic at hand...
...?
08 Apr 09
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Originally posted by WajomaEconomic rationalism is what placed your Pop in a crap hole. Blame your poster kids of the the libertarian revolution Ronnie and Maggie for that. They took most of the western world along with them down that insidious path of callous profitability.
You don't want to know about my Pop and how socialised medicine let him down and how my sisters and I nursed him through his last days of leukemia because his last wish was "Don't send me back to that place".
How any of that has got anything to do with the topic at hand...
...?
What has it to do with anything? If you cant join the dots to see where unbridled consumerism and look after your own self Jack type philosophies might lead, then you're simply a lost cause, perfect fodder for the mindlessness required by your corporate consumption promoting masters. Oh but I assume too much....you exercise your freedom of choice all the way...........**naturally!
** possibly sarcastic, possibly ironic, maybe even an absurdest riposte.
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87In a free society all those that want to nanny others and all those that want to be nannied can voluntarily join an organisation which caters to those particular fetishes. You have made your particular fetish preference very clear, are you afraid not enough submissives will join in.
Economic rationalism is what placed your Pop in a crap hole. Blame your poster kids of the the libertarian revolution Ronnie and Maggie for that. They took most of the western world along with them down that insidious path of callous profitability.
What has it to do with anything? If you cant join the dots to see where unbridled consumerism and look after ...[text shortened]... ........**naturally
** possibly sarcastic, possibly ironic, maybe even an absurdest riposte.
Are you saying Reagan privatised New Zealands health system. Dang, he sure slipped that by...well...everyone, except you of course. Slow down, take a breath you're begining to lose it.
08 Apr 09
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Originally posted by WajomaJust proves that you cant or wont read.
Are you saying Reagan privatised New Zealands health system. Dang, he sure slipped that by...well...everyone, except you of course. Slow down, take a breath you're begining to lose it.
Originally posted by kmax87
Blame your poster kids of the the libertarian revolution Ronnie and Maggie for that. They took most of the western world along with them down that insidious path of callous profitability.
Do you want claim that New Zealand is not part of the West?
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by WajomaNot afraid, just aware that there are many who are unable to follow through a thought to its logical conclusion and work out that the supposed choice and freedom that they would like to think is theirs to enjoy can actually shoot great big holes in their own feet. The price of real freedom is eternal vigilance, vigilance against those who cannot see beyond their own short term needs. I would never suppose to think that the idea of the greater good is a given and will make sure that I always engage in debate and argument with anyone who would by their belief system, knowingly or unwittingly undo years of coordinated fighting by unions and other social welfare advocates, that has accumulated and ensured some good and access for the ordinary bloke.
You have made your particular fetish preference very clear, are you afraid not enough submissives will join in.
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87Why would you repeat that statement, it's wrong in almost every aspect. Reagan and Thatcher were not Libertarians, there has been no Libertarian revolution. All that we can gain from the statement is that you have no idea what libertarianism. If anything it is the US that has been becoming more socialised. Government has been steadily increasing there, definitely not the other way around as you mistakingly intimate.
Just proves that you cant or wont read.
Originally posted by kmax87
[b]Blame your poster kids of the the libertarian revolution Ronnie and Maggie for that. They took most of the western world along with them down that insidious path of callous profitability.
Do you want claim that New Zealand is not part of the West?[/b]
...but you are correct, NZ is part of the western world, you are right, I bow before your supreme knowledge....dolt.
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by kmax87Those that cannot see beyond their own short term needs are no threat to your freedom, no need to be vigilant against them, mind your own business, and if I want to put a hole in my foot that's up to me.
Not afraid, just aware that there are many who are unable to follow through a thought to its logical conclusion and work out that the supposed choice and freedom that they would like to think is theirs to enjoy can actually shoot great big holes in their own feet. The price of real freedom is eternal vigilance, vigilance against those who cannot see beyond th ...[text shortened]... welfare advocates, that has accumulated and ensured some good and access for the ordinary bloke.
08 Apr 09
Originally posted by WajomaI could put up with you putting holes in your feet, you would be stubborn enough to look after your own mess. Its the other morons that would follow your lead that I would worry about, who would then clog up the remaining dwindling public resources and whinge loud and hard when they were not served.
Those that cannot see beyond their own short term needs are no threat to your freedom, no need to be vigilant against them, mind your own business, and if I want to put a hole in my foot that's up to me.