Leftists blame government for the homeless problem, but so do conservatives! Notice that the California and San Francisco governments are constantly being blamed for the homeless epidemic in San Francisco and the rest of CA. This implies the government should be intervening but right wingers are also constantly trying to "drown the government in the bathtub" as Grover Norquist put it.
So what responsibility does the government have for homelessness? How much government intervention is appropriate?
@athousandyoung saida start would be to quit encouraging it
Leftists blame government for the homeless problem, but so do conservatives! Notice that the California and San Francisco governments are constantly being blamed for the homeless epidemic in San Francisco and the rest of CA. This implies the government should be intervening but right wingers are also constantly trying to "drown the government in the bathtub" as Grover ...[text shortened]... sibility does the government have for homelessness? How much government intervention is appropriate?
@mott-the-hoople saidElaborate?
a start would be to quit encouraging it
What government policies encourage homelessness?
@mott-the-hoople saidThe answer, if any, would be in the Constitution. There were many homeless at the end of the 18th century, but if it is not in the Constitution , then they probably thought it was not a government responsibiliy. They used the phrase welfare, of course, but it is pretty much in concrete that they were not talking about government handouts which are prevalent today.
a start would be to quit encouraging it
Those guys were some smart cookies.
@athousandyoung saiddont play ignorant…
Elaborate?
What government policies encourage homelessness?
https://www.cerescourier.com/opinion/editorial/homelessness-crisis-created-democrats/
and ongoing right now with no border control, where do you think all those millions are gonna live?
@averagejoe1 saidWhy are you responding to my thread? You blacklisted me remember?
The answer, if any, would be in the Constitution. There were many homeless at the end of the 18th century, but if it is not in the Constitution , then they probably thought it was not a government responsibiliy. They used the phrase welfare, of course, but it is pretty much in concrete that they were not talking about government handouts which are prevalent today.
Those guys were some smart cookies.
Are you suggesting that the policies of the 1890s regarding the homeless were ideal and we should return to those policies?
@mott-the-hoople saidThe State of California and the City of San Francisco have no power over immigration so you cannot blame them for that.
dont play ignorant…
https://www.cerescourier.com/opinion/editorial/homelessness-crisis-created-democrats/
and ongoing right now with no border control, where do you think all those millions are gonna live?
@athousandyoung saidread the article…you libs like to pick out parts and ignore the rest
The State of California and the City of San Francisco have no power over immigration so you cannot blame them for that.
At the end of the 19th century, "homeless" people were either living in wooden scaffolding erected in warehouses of the sort depicted in Gangs of New York (just after 3 minutes in this clip):
(Those warehouses were basically "The Projects" but without any sort of fire safety or sanitation regulations)
...or were given land by the government that was legitimately owned by "American Indians". These people became refugees to California when the Dust Bowl ruined their farms.
John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath:
And now the squatting men stood up angrily. Grampa took up the land, and he had to kill the Indians and drive them away. And Pa was born here, and he killed weeds and snakes. Then a bad year came...
In the aspirations of nearly every country on Earth, a roof over your head is seen as a basic human right.
So, one must look to the causes of homelessness, to find the answers.
One of the major causes in Western Europe is psychiatric problems. So shelters with psychiatric care would be the answer.
I don’t know the causes in the US.
What I did see, driving from Paradise via the strip in Las Vegas, heading out into the desert, was an immense population of homeless people with physical problems (limbs missing). I would presume these were veterans.
It’s not good for a society to have such quantities of people living rough. Even if they’re stuck on the outer edge of a city.
@shavixmir saidA right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. A piece of tin can never be a 'right'. Note how the pseud known as shag doody for brains continuously has to manipulate words to sneak his poison in.
In the aspirations of nearly every country on Earth, a roof over your head is seen as a basic human right.
So, one must look to the causes of homelessness, to find the answers.
One of the major causes in Western Europe is psychiatric problems. So shelters with psychiatric care would be the answer.
I don’t know the causes in the US.
What I did see, driving from Parad ...[text shortened]... y to have such quantities of people living rough. Even if they’re stuck on the outer edge of a city.
@athousandyoung saidLots of responsibility - not sure how to quantify it.
So what responsibility does the government have for homelessness? How much government intervention is appropriate?
Intervention?
- identify the root causes which would address the top 75% of causes and deal with them.
- what’s been mentioned in this thread so far are uncontrolled migration, poorly supported mental health problems and physical disabilities. Other root causes of poverty will also be in there.
I’m not convinced that uncontrolled migration leads to homelessness here in the UK, but it certainly causes lots of other problems which divert public money.
The resources required will likely be:
- political will to act
- public will to pay
The former of which will depend on the latter, so nothing/little happens.
@wajoma saidArticle 25
A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. A piece of tin can never be a 'right'. Note how the pseud known as shag doody for brains continuously has to manipulate words to sneak his poison in.
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
Suck my anus, you retard.
@shavixmir saidDoes not address the point as to what a 'right' is, or technically what is wrong with the def I posted. You tried to power up your post with an insult and it actually had the opposite effect.
Article 25
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
Suck my anus, you retard.
@wajoma saidNo it didn’t.
Does not address the point as to what a 'right' is, or technically what is wrong with the def I posted. You tried to power up your post with an insult and it actually had the opposite effect.
It had exactly the effect I wanted.
You clinging on to your stupid fukking definitions nobody else in the world agrees with.
Fukk wit.