The real problem stems from society's insistence on not involving the homeless in solving their own individual problems.
#1. The mentally indigent. They have to be institutionalized as they were before the 80's.
#2. The drug/alcohol dependent can be placed in rehab and be given a job and an apartment when they get out of rehab.
#3. The rest are arrested for vagrancy and pretty much treated the same way as the drug/alcohol dependent people.
You see, this methodology *forces* the homeless people to act on their own behalf, something that *horrifies* the left.
@athousandyoung saidIt's quantifiably less of a problem in Chicago. Not solved anywhere.
I wasn't aware Chicago had solved the homelessness problem.
You cannot compare Atlanta with San Francisco. SF is on a peninsula. Atlanta is on a wide open expanse of land.
Your article is behind a paywall so I cannot evaluate it properly. In particular I cannot follow up on your "FIVE TIMES!!!" claim but it is critical to recognize that if you bring down the ...[text shortened]... p all that new housing to keep housing prices and therefore property values and landlord profits up.
"it is critical to recognize that if you bring down the cost of housing you damage property values..."
Yes, this is critical. I get that it goes against business interests and it goes against financial incentives from city administrators, but do this if you are interested in solving problems with unaffordable housing. It works!
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat do you mean by "given a job" in #2?
The real problem stems from society's insistence on not involving the homeless in solving their own individual problems.
#1. The mentally indigent. They have to be institutionalized as they were before the 80's.
#2. The drug/alcohol dependent can be placed in rehab and be given a job and an apartment when they get out of rehab.
#3. The rest are arrest ...[text shortened]... dology *forces* the homeless people to act on their own behalf, something that *horrifies* the left.
@earl-of-trumps saidThere are more homeless in these areas because there is access to money. You know, when you want to get a job, you don't go to rural Alabama.
lol of course. They are partially responsible for the homelessness. Why do you think there are more homeless people
in California and more specifically, in San Francisco than almost anywhere else? It comes down to how
the homeless are treated by the government and people in that state/city.
Do you, a self-proclaimed Libertarian, really believe the government men with guns should be arresting people and putting them in prison simply for not having a home?!
@wildgrass saidI put forward that possibly there are fewer homeless in Chigaco than in California because Chicago winters kill off a large percentage of the homeless every year.
It's quantifiably less of a problem in Chicago. Not solved anywhere.
"it is critical to recognize that if you bring down the cost of housing you damage property values..."
Yes, this is critical. I get that it goes against business interests and it goes against financial incentives from city administrators, but do this if you are interested in solving problems with unaffordable housing. It works!
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/homeless-shelters-extreme-cold/
@athousandyoung saidWeather is definitely a variable. Not something any govt can do anything about..I don't think the difference in the numbers of homeless between those two cities is entirely weather related.
I put forward that possibly there are fewer homeless in Chigaco than in California because Chicago winters kill off a large percentage of the homeless every year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/homeless-shelters-extreme-cold/
Housing for example.
@averagejoe1 saidDude, that’s article 25 from the international declaration of human rights.
I got my 11-year old to look up the wording of 25, she could not find where it says everyone has the right to anything. Could you be be more honest, so that we will continue to read your loser posts?
Or elaborate, tell all the citizens where the free housing is....and since you say everyone, tell all the illegals where the free housing is?
Oh, and this should b ...[text shortened]... ell, what is it, Shavixmir?
A true loser, you may be #1 loser. At least you are #1 something.
And it states, right there, what countries signed up to.
It’s not a treaty though. It’s an ideal to live up to.
In the EU most of it has become law (international treaty agreed upon by EU nations, in a very similar document).
As for you and your 11 year old… your reading skills must be some-what lacking. It’s right there. In the text you’re quoting.
@shavixmir saidNo, no you don't understand, yes, yes, yoo don't.
Dude, that’s article 25 from the international declaration of human rights.
And it states, right there, what countries signed up to.
It’s not a treaty though. It’s an ideal to live up to.
In the EU most of it has become law (international treaty agreed upon by EU nations, in a very similar document).
As for you and your 11 year old… your reading skills must be some-what lacking. It’s right there. In the text you’re quoting.
The pseud known as shag doody for brains, they've been a bit more careful with their language, it may as well say Wajoma has a right to a Maserati. It doesn't say others must provide all those things, no, no it doesn't, no, no, they may as well have said nothing, it means nothing. People have a right to those things but it does not address how they get them.
Question for shag doody: Can a person have a 'right' that violates the rights of others?
@wajoma saidI have my 11 yr old standing by to tell us what Shav is trying to say. She has already noted to me that he has made an effort to restate what he said in the first place. Is he saying that he was wrong with his original statement.? I think I will just ask her.
No, no you don't understand, yes, yes, yoo don't.
The pseud known as shag doody for brains, they've been a bit more careful with their language, it may as well say Wajoma has a right to a Maserati. It doesn't say others must provide all those things, no, no it doesn't, no, no, they may as well have said nothing, it means nothing. People have a right to those things but it ...[text shortened]... them.
Question for shag doody: Can a person have a 'right' that violates the rights of others?
She did get a kick out of his belief (from Mars?) that everyone has a right to housing. Maybe NLands has diff definitions for ‘ban’ and ‘right’?
Right wingers are mental cases on this site.
Not only do they seemingly not know what "a right" is, they also don't have the foggiest about the declaration, what it is or how binding it is or isn't.
It's like talking weather with bloody hamsters. Fukking morons, the lot of them.
Right wingers that is, not hamsters. I don't want to offend hamsters.
There is so much real stuff to say on this subject, but obviously the right-wingers know what's best. That's why they've solved so many of the world's problems... like homelessness, health care, education, poverty and hunger.
Oh wait. They didn't. Did they? No. Because all they've ever managed to do is make 1% of the population richer.
That's all they ever do. And even the trailer trash scum that inhabit this site, spanking themselves blind as they sniff their momma's knickers, are so seduced by this "right" to have 1% of the population own upwards of 60% of the world's wealth, they don't care how bad off they are themselves.
No. They come away with crap like: "What good is a right..."
Or... "can a right for someone be bad for someone else."
When all they do is promote a debunked theory of greed which tramples all over the rights of other people.
No wonder you're all lonely. Nobody wants to be anywhere near you. Fukking obnoxious cvnts.
Hear that sound?
That whack-whack-whack sound?
That’s the sound of the extreme right incels on this forum, sniffing their grannies’ knickers and spanking their monkeys as they blame women, communists, blacks, foreigners, gays, trans and everybody, but themselves, for the nightmares in which they live.
We should all feel sorry for them.
Poor right-wing creeps. They need love.
Nobody will give it to them though. Obviously. Even their fukking mothers would rather shag a heroin junkie than give the likes of them attention…
@shavixmir saidOn a roll today! Hamsters. Guaranteed not to be homeless as they'd be picked off by a hawk minutes after being evicted.
Right wingers are mental cases on this site.
Not only do they seemingly not know what "a right" is, they also don't have the foggiest about the declaration, what it is or how binding it is or isn't.
It's like talking weather with bloody hamsters. Fukking morons, the lot of them.
Right wingers that is, not hamsters. I don't want to offend hamsters.
There is so mu ...[text shortened]... ple.
No wonder you're all lonely. Nobody wants to be anywhere near you. Fukking obnoxious cvnts.
@athousandyoung saidThey move somewhere else long before that. Even they know when and where winter comes.
I put forward that possibly there are fewer homeless in Chigaco than in California because Chicago winters kill off a large percentage of the homeless every year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/homeless-shelters-extreme-cold/
@shavixmir saidEVERYONE. Please read everyword of this post of Shav.
Right wingers are mental cases on this site.
Not only do they seemingly not know what "a right" is, they also don't have the foggiest about the declaration, what it is or how binding it is or isn't.
It's like talking weather with bloody hamsters. Fukking morons, the lot of them.
Right wingers that is, not hamsters. I don't want to offend hamsters.
There is so mu ...[text shortened]... ple.
No wonder you're all lonely. Nobody wants to be anywhere near you. Fukking obnoxious cvnts.
Report back your findings. Does it say ONE thing????
@suzianne said
They move somewhere else long before that. Even they know when and where winter comes.
Hate New York City
It's cold and it's damp
And all the people dressed like monkeys
Let's leave Chicago to the Eskimos
That town's a little bit too rugged
For you and me you baby girl
Look at that bum over there, man, he's down on his knees!
I left my home in Georgia
Headed for the Frisco Bay
'Cause I've had nothing to live for
And look like nothing's gonna come my way