21 Mar 22
@no1marauder
But in your heart you want NATO to disappear.
Are you saying the Russians are at war BECAUSE of NATO? They attack because they hate NATO?
So if Russia hates NATO, what country do you think Russia would attack if NATO died?
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21 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidISIS started committing terrorist attacks outside those two countries - specifically, on the Jewish population in Europe - before the coalition against them was formed. Pretending tnat they were a merely local threat before the war is dishonest.
ISIS was an internal problem for Iraq and Syria. The choice of Assad or ISIS or something else should have been made by the Syrian People, not the West or Russia.
@shallow-blue saidThat isn't true.
ISIS started committing terrorist attacks outside those two countries - specifically, on the Jewish population in Europe - before the coalition against them was formed. Pretending tnat they were a merely local threat before the war is dishonest.
There was one incident in Belgium in May 2014 said to be "inspired" by ISIS, but no evidence was ever produced that indicated it was ordered by that group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_the_Islamic_State
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting
Every other extraterritorial incident supposedly ordered or even "inspired" by ISIS happened after Western countries started air strikes in August 2014.
22 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidOk Viad if you say so son
NATO does what the US tells it to do. IF they can then get UN authorization great but if they can't if goes ahead without that figleaf.
I already showed you that NATO sent troops to Iraq. I already showed you that it was NATO that invoked Article 5 in 2001 and it didn't even mention Afghanistan (I supplied the link - it's obvious you didn't bother to read it).
You k ...[text shortened]... rational leader of Russia to oppose its eastward march (as even someone as pro-West as Yeltsin did).
@no1marauder saidThese are all really good reasons for the west and east to stay out of the Middle East.
This is BS. Libya was an adventure in regime change, just like Afghanistan and Iraq all of which NATO was involved in.
A later UK Parliamentary investigation concluded:
"An in depth investigation into the Libyan intervention and its aftermath was started in July 2015 by the U.K. Parliament's House of Commons' cross-party Foreign Affairs Committee, the final conclus ...[text shortened]... severely damaging the most effective fighting group against him (granted they were brutal lunatics).
The war in Ukraine has made the Russian forces ( not including nuclear forces ) a lot less scary.
It’s also proving that a people fighting invasion and despotism can be supported from outside its territory without employing western boots on the ground or bombers in the air. With western military aid the Ukrainian army has fought the mighty Russian army to a standstill and made negotiations by Putin a lot more likely.
22 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidWhy don't you want Ukraine to be neutral?
These are all really good reasons for the west and east to stay out of the Middle East.
The war in Ukraine has made the Russian forces ( not including nuclear forces ) a lot less scary.
It’s also proving that a people fighting invasion and despotism can be supported from outside its territory without employing western boots on the ground or bombers in the air. With western ...[text shortened]... has fought the mighty Russian army to a standstill and made negotiations by Putin a lot more likely.
Do you have a problem with peace? Why do you want more people to die?
25 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidStop being stupid Putin does not want Ukraine to be neutral he wants it back under Kremlin control as it was prior to 2014.
Why don't you want Ukraine to be neutral?
Do you have a problem with peace? Why do you want more people to die?
I have no objection to neutrality whatsoever it’s you that’s has a problem with it.
25 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidStop lying and stop, we’ll just stop lying, I’m not going to ameliorate your lies by giving you the cover of stupidity your just a callous calculating liar.
Zelenskyy is a puppet dictator.
https://wearechange.org/the-u-s-is-discouraging-zelensky-from-making-concessions-to-russia-that-could-end-war/
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidYou are lying.
Stop being stupid Putin does not want Ukraine to be neutral he wants it back under Kremlin control as it was prior to 2014.
I have no objection to neutrality whatsoever it’s you that’s has a problem with it.
"Russia has told Ukraine it is ready to halt military operations "in a moment" if Kyiv meets a list of conditions, the Kremlin spokesman said on Monday.
Dmitry Peskov said Moscow was demanding that Ukraine cease military action, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognise the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states."
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/
Russia is only asking for neutrality......and you cannot read Putin's mind. Stop being stupid.
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidHere is an excerpt from the link below:
Stop lying and stop, we’ll just stop lying, I’m not going to ameliorate your lies by giving you the cover of stupidity your just a callous calculating liar.
"Putin has made clear that one of his main motivations for the invasion is Ukraine’s alignment with NATO. Leading up to the invasion, he asked the US for a guarantee that Ukraine won’t ever join the military alliance, but the US refused to make the promise even though President Biden publicly admitted Kyiv wouldn’t be granted a membership anytime soon.
Even Zelensky has said that he was told Ukraine wouldn’t be a NATO member. “I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five, just say it directly and clearly, or just say no,” he said in an interview with CNN on Sunday. “And the response was very clear, you’re not going to be a NATO member, but publicly, the doors will remain open.”
https://wearechange.org/the-u-s-is-discouraging-zelensky-from-making-concessions-to-russia-that-could-end-war/
All Zelenskyy has to do is close the door to NATO by amending their constitution.
That isn't worth peace?
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidCrimea and Donbas are the only sticking points preventing an agreement for peace. This is stupid since Russia already has control of those regions. Most people there are also pro Russian, so Zelenskyy is literally going against the will of the majority of people in Crimea and Donbas. In other words, they don't want to be part of Ukraine anymore.
Stop lying and stop, we’ll just stop lying, I’m not going to ameliorate your lies by giving you the cover of stupidity your just a callous calculating liar.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-russia-ukraine-have-reached-understanding-4-out-6-topics
Zelenskyy should let go of Crimea and Donbas before he loses more than that.
He is being stubborn and unreasonable.
29 Mar 22
"Ahead of the talks, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country was prepared to declare its neutrality. Moscow has demanded that the country drop any hope of joining the NATO alliance, which it sees as a threat. Zelenskyy also said he was open to compromise over the contested eastern region of Donbas — comments that might lend momentum to negotiations."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/round-talks-aims-stop-fighting-040330623.html
Zelenskyy must be in Kiev. I think he was very nervous he was about to die.
@metal-brain saidAll of the above was/is a steaming pile of 💩 no one believes Putin anymore he’s lied so often about pretty much everything that Zelensky would be an idiot to trust him. If that is all Putin wants he could stop murdering civilians with long range weapons and retreat to the areas he’s intent on keeping. If Zelensky does not cede neutrality in terms of NATO membership then I’m sure Putin has the fire power to recommence his destruction of Ukraine at any time.
"Ahead of the talks, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country was prepared to declare its neutrality. Moscow has demanded that the country drop any hope of joining the NATO alliance, which it sees as a threat. Zelenskyy also said he was open to compromise over the contested eastern region of Donbas — comments that might lend momentum to negotiations."
https://www ...[text shortened]... ghting-040330623.html
Zelenskyy must be in Kiev. I think he was very nervous he was about to die.
Stop lying and stop treating others as if they are as stupid as you.
29 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidIt's a little difficult to be neutral once you've been freaking invaded, dumbass.
What is wrong with Ukraine becoming neutral to avoid a lot of killing?
Do you have something against peace?