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13 Oct 23
@zahlanzi saidVery true.
At the moment both sides are guilty of war crimes and should be treated as such.
But one side is similar to a malnourished rabid chihuahua and the other side has billions in military aid from the US. The sides aren't fukin equal.
13 Oct 23
@shavixmir
So that excuses the thousand plus murdered by Hamas? 266 kids at a music festival? Pregnant women, infants with bullet riddled bodies, this ok?
13 Oct 23
@eintaluj saidThere has been no targeting of civilians. There is targeting of Hamas operation centers, weapons caches and launching sites, that happen to be hidden (intentionally) in civilian neighborhoods.
""Responses" are for rocket attacks. This is war."
You are distorting the notion of a war crime.
No one has argued here that Israel had no right to start a war.
The problem is about the targeted bombing of civilians using aerial bombs and about the total blockade of the civilian population.
The present war crimes of Israel amount to genocide.
@sh76 saidThis is BS. Whole neighborhoods have been leveled and a substantial majority of those killed by the airstrikes are civilians, including many children.https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel-palestinians-war-hamas-militants-civilians-casualites-8469bbcb566446d78f368bf2a1b49d88
There has been no targeting of civilians. There is targeting of Hamas operation centers, weapons caches and launching sites, that happen to be hidden (intentionally) in civilian neighborhoods.
If you feel that this is justified in the name of revenge, say so but don't pedal such obvious untruths.
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13 Oct 23
@shavixmir saidHow many people would have been killed by Israel… IF… Terrorist animal barbarians hadnt sneak attacked and murdered innocent people by the hundreds?
Really now… have you seen the photos?
The answer is zero, and you know it.
@mott-the-hoople saidOMG, how ignorant can you fools be?
How many people would have been killed by Israel… IF… Terrorist animal barbarians hadnt sneak attacked and murdered innocent people by the hundreds?
The answer is zero, and you know it.
Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces in this year alone.https://coopwb.in/info/how-many-palestinian-killed-by-israel-2023/
Israel has been waging war on these people for years. That does not excuse war crimes by either side but the assertion that Israel is now justified in virtually anything it does because, NOW, this is "war" is laughable propaganda.
13 Oct 23
@sh76 saidDoes this sound like a "suggestion":
It's not an order. It's a suggestion. Israel doesn't have the power to order Gazans to do anything.
It's a lot more than we did for the residents or Dresden, Hamburg or Hiroshima.
Which, incidentally, we not necessary military targets.
"You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made". IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus.https://www.voanews.com/a/israel-to-un-northern-gaza-should-evacuate-within-24-hours/7309227.html
13 Oct 23
@no1marauder saidIsrael, as ever, does everything possible to help swell the ranks of Hamas by committing a litany of war crimes, in line with its usual "one-hundred-eyes-for-an-eye" modus operandi. Hamas could not hope for a better recruitment campaign.
Does this sound like a "suggestion":
"You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made". IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus.https://www.voanews.com/a/israel-to-un-northern-gaza-should-evacuate-within-24-hours/7309227.html
Frankly, the only justification for this indiscriminate bombing that I can find amongst Israel's apologists amounts to the six-year-old's logic of "they started it." For "they" read: Palestinians in general.
Analogous to Israel's actions would be the following hypothetical scenario: A bunch of KKK fanatics swarm from the US into Canada and kill some people. Canada retaliates by bombing every US city, and ordering everyone living west of the Mississippi to evacuate within 24 hours ahead of god knows what kind of unbridled military rampage.
Basically, to hell with Israel.
Israel is issuing the (logistically impossible) evacuation order of 1.1 million people within 24 hours in order to cover its ass in anticipation of possibly committing grotesque acts of mass murder on a scale rarely seen. The Israeli Defense Forces, and war criminal Netanyahu, will say "They were given fair warning to evacuate. Those who failed to do so accepted the risk of staying. C'est la vie."
And my goddamn tax dollars are being used to prop up this criminal regime, Israel, which is truly infuriating.
13 Oct 23
@sh76 saidWar against a terrorist organization is not the same as war against the recognized government of a nation. Members of a terrorist organization are embedded in the general population and operate in the shadows. To break such organizations requires intelligence, planning, infiltration, and precision operations. Simply murdering a neighborhood because there might be 1 terrorist living there will solve nothing, and drive the citizenry into the arms of the terrorists.
This has nothing to do with any sort of response, let alone a proportional response.
Israel has decided, and rightfully so, that it needs to take out Hamas' ability to function, and that means decapitating its leadership and breaking its grip on power. And to do that, it's going to need to take out its bases and will require a ground invasion (probably in the next 48 hours). ...[text shortened]... needed, it's all over the news; just Google it).
"Responses" are for rocket attacks. This is war.
Apparently Israel's intelligence operations are not so intelligent anymore, if ever they were.
13 Oct 23
@soothfast saidHow much notice was given to the people in Southern Israel, to the attendees of the music festival?
Israel is issuing the (logistically impossible) evacuation of 1.1 million people within 24 hours in order to cover its ass in anticipation of possibly committing grotesque acts of mass murder on a scale rarely seen. The Israeli Defense Forces, and war criminal Netanyahu, will say "They were given fair warning to evacuate. Those who failed to do so accepted the risk of sta ...[text shortened]... damn tax dollars are being used to prop up this criminal regime, Israel, which is truly infuriating.
13 Oct 23
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@soothfast saidHamas does the indiscriminate rocket attacks, they do not target military facilities etc. Israel's attacks are precise, you can argue the intel behind the attack if you had the faintest idea about what information they have but to say it's indiscriminate when the case is 180 degrees the opposite makes you sound like the 6 year old.
Frankly, the only justification for this indiscriminate bombing that I can find amongst Israel's apologists amounts to the six-year-old's logic of "they started it." For "they" read: Palestinians in general.
Basically, to hell with Israel.
The justification is that Hamas must be stopped and all previous methods have not worked.
That is the justification Mr 6 year old.
13 Oct 23
@wajoma said"precise"? They are levelling entire blocks including apartment buildings!
Hamas does the indiscriminate rocket attacks, they do not target military facilities etc. Israel's attacks are precise, you can argue the intel behind the attack if you had the faintest idea about what information they have but to say it's indiscriminate when the case is 180 degrees the opposite makes you sound like the 6 year old.
The justification is that Hamas must be stopped and all previous methods have not worked.
That is the justification Mr 6 year old.
It's hilarious that the opponent of "goobermint" thinks it's just fine and dandy for one to slaughter civilians in this case though at least you have the temerity to lie about the circumstances.
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@no1marauder saidTwo points both repeats, both explaining the same thing over:
"precise"? They are levelling entire blocks including apartment buildings!
It's hilarious that the opponent of "goobermint" thinks it's just fine and dandy for one to slaughter civilians in this case though at least you have the temerity to lie about the circumstances.
1/"...you can argue the intel behind the attack if you had the faintest idea about what information they have but to say it's indiscriminate when the case is 180 degrees the opposite..." It's not the bombing of Dresden, they pick a target (you can argue the reason) and that target is hit. Why are the Hamas rockets and drones not directed precisely at the troops massing on the outskirts of Gaza but continue to be fired 'indiscriminately' into Israel?
2/ It is the role of goobermint to protect me from you and you from me. If you're a member of a terrorist organisation known as Hamas it is the role of "goobermint" to stop you. There may be some debate in how that objective is achieved.