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07 Oct 23
@shavixmir saidI'm sure it was you, tell us how close this is.
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Sorry, were you saying something ormwas a donkey braying?
Large knobbly head, kaka brown colour, obviously (which is distinct from khaki brown), apart from the knobbly nature of the head basically featureless, then tapering off like a cigar, which helps to reduce splash effect like a divers pointed toes.
G'on, admit it, if someone had to describe your appearance to the cops, that'd be it.
PS: Additional note, lucky to make it around the U bend, a bit over weight you see.
14 Oct 23
@wajoma said🥱
I'm sure it was you, tell us how close this is.
Large knobbly head, kaka brown colour, obviously (which is distinct from khaki brown), apart from the knobbly nature of the head basically featureless, then tapering off like a cigar, which helps to reduce splash effect like a divers pointed toes.
G'on, admit it, if someone had to describe your appearance to the cops, that'd be it.
14 Oct 23
@sonhouse saidIt is not hard to have common sense.
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Wow, you are SUCH an expert on the middle east.
If you bomb the people who took hostages you risk bombing the hostages. Were you waiting for the corporate news media to tell you that no brainer?
14 Oct 23
@metal-brain saidJust more victims sacrificed to the Hamas PR strategy.
I said this would happen. I wish I was wrong.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hamas-claims-26-hostages-died-israeli-airstrikes-including-foreigners-after-idf-finds
Israel didn't care about the hostages. Pretty obvious. Stealing Gaza was the priority.
14 Oct 23
@wajoma saidAll "previous methods" for the last 20 years have relied on force. They haven't worked and this one won't either just because it employs even more force. You can't repress a people and expect them not to resist. Unfortunately, there are some who will resist by committing war crimes; responding to that by even worse war crimes isn't a solution unless you're willing to go for a "Final" one.
Hamas does the indiscriminate rocket attacks, they do not target military facilities etc. Israel's attacks are precise, you can argue the intel behind the attack if you had the faintest idea about what information they have but to say it's indiscriminate when the case is 180 degrees the opposite makes you sound like the 6 year old.
The justification is that Hamas must be stopped and all previous methods have not worked.
That is the justification Mr 6 year old.
The most logical way to eviscerate Hamas would be for Israel to reach a just peace with the Palestinians. Few would be interested in supporting that organization if that was done.
14 Oct 23
@wajoma said"Whatabout Hamas" isn't a defense to Israeli war crimes.
Two points both repeats, both explaining the same thing over:
1/"...you can argue the intel behind the attack if you had the faintest idea about what information they have but to say it's indiscriminate when the case is 180 degrees the opposite..." It's not the bombing of Dresden, they pick a target (you can argue the reason) and that target is hit. Why are the Hamas ...[text shortened]... s the role of "goobermint" to stop you. There may be some debate in how that objective is achieved.
Every time Israel has bombed Gaza, ostensibly in response to some Hamas "provocation", it has killed many more civilians than Hamas combatants. Human rights organizations have repeatedly pointed this out and the IDF is surely aware of this. This time, the attacks are even more blatantly indiscriminate and the heart of Gaza City is being destroyed from the air.
Governments are made up of men and those men are bound by laws, including the laws of war. Just because you are fighting a "terrorist organization" does not excuse you from obeying these laws.
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@no1marauder saidThis is not between Israel and palestinians. It is between Israel and Muslims, iran more specifically, palestinians are caught in the middle for the most part
All "previous methods" for the last 20 years have relied on force. They haven't worked and this one won't either just because it employs even more force. You can't repress a people and expect them not to resist. Unfortunately, there are some who will resist by committing war crimes; responding to that by even worse war crimes isn't a solution unless you're willing to go f ...[text shortened]... ace with the Palestinians. Few would be interested in supporting that organization if that was done.
14 Oct 23
@no1marauder saidThe targeting is specific and precise. That is not for debate, they have the technology to very precisely place their missiles. What you're arguing is that you have in your possession better information than the IDF. You can argue that, you can question the information they are acting on but you cannot argue that the Israeli defensive strikes are 'indiscriminate'.
"Whatabout Hamas" isn't a defense to Israeli war crimes.
Every time Israel has bombed Gaza, ostensibly in response to some Hamas "provocation", it has killed many more civilians than Hamas combatants. Human rights organizations have repeatedly pointed this out and the IDF is surely aware of this. This time, the attacks are even more blatantly indiscriminate and the hea ...[text shortened]... ust because you are fighting a "terrorist organization" does not excuse you from obeying these laws.
15 Oct 23
@wajoma said"Defensive strikes"?
The targeting is specific and precise. That is not for debate, they have the technology to very precisely place their missiles. What you're arguing is that you have in your possession better information than the IDF. You can argue that, you can question the information they are acting on but you cannot argue that the Israeli defensive strikes are 'indiscriminate'.
What part of the vast majority of killed by these strikes are civilians don't you get?
What part of that is well known to the IDF don't you get?
Just because you are gullible enough to swallow "goobermint" propaganda that doesn't mesh with reality doesn't mean the less stupid have to fall for it.
@wajoma saidIsrael has dropped 6,000 bombs on Gaza, an area about half the size of New York City, in less than a week. https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-air-force-bomb-gaza-hamas-6000-times-continue-relentlessly-2023-10
The targeting is specific and precise. That is not for debate, they have the technology to very precisely place their missiles. What you're arguing is that you have in your possession better information than the IDF. You can argue that, you can question the information they are acting on but you cannot argue that the Israeli defensive strikes are 'indiscriminate'.
"The Gaza Health Ministry said Saturday that over 2,200 people have been killed in the territory, including 724 children and 458 women. "
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gazas-desperate-civilians-flee-or-huddle-in-hopes-of-safety-as-warnings-of-israeli-offensive-mount/ar-AA1ic6mW
"Specific and precise"? I call BS.
15 Oct 23
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@no1marauder saidYou fell for the goobermint propaganda about being turned into a lab rat in the biggest medical experiment in history enriching already multi billion dollar corporations beyond belief, doesn't mean the less stupid have to fall for it.
"Defensive strikes"?
What part of the vast majority of killed by these strikes are civilians don't you get?
What part of that is well known to the IDF don't you get?
Just because you are gullible enough to swallow "goobermint" propaganda that doesn't mesh with reality doesn't mean the less stupid have to fall for it.
Fair point though, these are now not defensive strikes, Israel is clearly on the offensive against Hamas.
24 hours to get out of Northern Gaza, it's a 2 hour walk, but spread over 24 hours doable for 95% of people. Those that can, should assist the remaining 5%.
@wajoma saidYour excuses for war crimes get lamer and lamer.
You fell for the goobermint propaganda about being turned into a lab rat in the biggest medical experiment in history enriching already multi billion dollar corporations beyond belief, doesn't mean the less stupid have to fall for it.
Fair point though, these are now not defensive strikes, Israel is clearly on the offensive against Hamas.
24 hours to get out of Northern ...[text shortened]... but spread over 24 hours doable for 95% of people. Those that can, should assist the remaining 5%.
Israel only identified two roads as escape routes and only for six hours. The UN has already stated:
"“The order to evacuate 1.1 million people from northern Gaza defies the rules of war and basic humanity,” wrote Martin Griffiths, head of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, in a statement late Friday. “Roads and homes have been reduced to rubble. There is nowhere safe to go.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/14/middleeast/gaza-israel-evacuation-saturday-intl-hnk/index.html
15 Oct 23
@wajoma saidIf the targetting is so precise, how can there be 2200 dead civilians? Many of them children?
The targeting is specific and precise. That is not for debate, they have the technology to very precisely place their missiles. What you're arguing is that you have in your possession better information than the IDF. You can argue that, you can question the information they are acting on but you cannot argue that the Israeli defensive strikes are 'indiscriminate'.
Or how can a convoy escaping South be hit killing children and babies?
Precision bombing is a fantasy in a densely populated area.
As for evacuating 1.1 million people in 24 hours… do you know how hard that is?
You have no idea. That’s why office buildings have regular practises on emergency escapes. You’re then talking a hundred people getting out of a singular building. The logistics, with planned escape routes, trained workers, etc.
To imagine it’s possible to get hundreds of thousands out of a wasteland is naieve to the extreme. And where are they going? How do you house half a population in half a land which is basically already a refugee camp without water and electricity?
Just listen to yourself. You really do live in some fantasy world or something.