Why do right wingers want to end democracy?

@metal-brain said
She could have been going through the capitol subway to safety. All of them could have. They stayed so they could over dramatize it all to dupe people into thinking they were genuinely fearful.

https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/buildings-grounds/capitol-building/capitol-subway-system

It was all a sham. It is like saying they couldn't have left through the b ...[text shortened]... a back door because nobody can knock on the door in the back since there is no subway door outside.

You believe the most absurd nonsense.

Many members of Congress were either trapped in their offices or moved to what Capitol security thought were "secure rooms". It was outside one of those rooms that Ashli Babbitt was shot as she and hundreds of others were trying to break into it. https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-oral-history-capitol-attack-insurrection-timeline-investigation-2021-10

@no1marauder said
A ridiculous lie.

Pelosi had no control of any law enforcement or military units.

Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd shot Ashli Babbit.
Who ordered him to shoot?

@no1marauder said
You believe the most absurd nonsense.

Many members of Congress were either trapped in their offices or moved to what Capitol security thought were "secure rooms". It was outside one of those rooms that Ashli Babbitt was shot as she and hundreds of others were trying to break into it. https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-oral-history-capitol-attack-insurrection-timeline-investigation-2021-10

Trapped?

Now you have to explain why they were trapped. Did they ignore the knocking at the door? Then the sound of smashing glass and screaming?

Would you ignore all of that knowing there are thousands of angry protesters outside? ....and with nobody even suggesting they leave the capitol building for safety?

@metal-brain said
Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd shot Ashli Babbit.
Who ordered him to shoot?

No one. He acted on his own in lawful self-defense of others.

I already provided you that link.

@metal-brain said
Trapped?

Now you have to explain why they were trapped. Did they ignore the knocking at the door? Then the sound of smashing glass and screaming?

Would you ignore all of that knowing there are thousands of angry protesters outside? ....and with nobody even suggesting they leave the capitol building for safety?

Knocking at what door? Is that what you think happened; the rioters politely knocked at the doors of the Capitol?

Do you ever even glance at the links I provide you? Few members of Congress were even aware that the building had been breached until Capitol security informed them. The Capitol is a big building and the legislative chambers aren't terribly close to the entrances. It's all in the link I provided you.

EDIT: https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-oral-history-capitol-attack-insurrection-timeline-investigation-2021-10

@no1marauder said
Knocking at what door? Is that what you think happened; the rioters politely knocked at the doors of the Capitol?

Do you ever even glance at the links I provide you?The Capitol is a big building and the legislative chambers aren't terribly close to the entrances. It's all in the link I provided you.

EDIT: https://www.businessinsider.com/january-6-oral-history-capitol-attack-insurrection-timeline-investigation-2021-10

"Knocking at what door? Is that what you think happened; the rioters politely knocked at the doors of the Capitol? "

Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it?

" Few members of Congress were even aware that the building had been breached until Capitol security informed them."

So the capitol police just let them in? I thought they were there to prevent unlawful entry. No shooting? Why no shooting if it was an insurrection as you democrats like to say with endless rhetoric?

They let them in. That is not the fault of DJT. Why are you blaming DJT for the capitol police letting them in?

"The Capitol is a big building and the legislative chambers aren't terribly close to the entrances"

Then it should have taken the rioters longer to reach the legislative chambers than the capitol security. You have explained nothing. Why were they trapped?

@metal-brain said
"Knocking at what door? Is that what you think happened; the rioters politely knocked at the doors of the Capitol? "

Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it?

" Few members of Congress were even aware that the building had been breached until Capitol security informed them."

So the capitol police just let them in? I thought they were there to prevent unlawful ...[text shortened]... e legislative chambers than the capitol security. You have explained nothing. Why were they trapped?

You can keep repeating the idiotic statement "they let them in" but the facts are the rioters violently broke into the building, attacking police and injuring more then 100 of them. That doesn't equate to "letting them in" to any non-moron.

No, the police didn't massacre the rioters.

I explained why, you fool. Events deteriorated rapidly and the members of Congress were mostly unaware of the fact the building was breached. The Capitol Police and security weren't expecting the mob to storm the Capitol; nothing like that had ever happened in the history of the Federal government. Your theory that the members of Congress deliberately placed themselves in extreme peril for propaganda purposes is utterly ludicrous.

@no1marauder said
You can keep repeating the idiotic statement "they let them in" but the facts are the rioters violently broke into the building, attacking police and injuring more then 100 of them. That doesn't equate to "letting them in" to any non-moron.

No, the police didn't massacre the rioters.

I explained why, you fool. Events deteriorated rapidly and the members of Congress ...[text shortened]... ngress deliberately placed themselves in extreme peril for propaganda purposes is utterly ludicrous.

You fool.
You said "Capitol security informed them".

That means members of congress had forewarning before the protesters (now insurrectionists nobody bothered to shoot) could get there before "Capitol security informed them".

Again...why were they trapped? They had forewarning before the rioters/insurrectionists could touch any congressmen/congresswomen. Right?

Any non moron can see you are not making any sense at all. They had a subway system to escape harm. They didn't have to stay there. Heck, they could have left as soon as they saw the crap load of protesters. They had that option......but they stayed there and felt safe......and why shouldn't they have felt safe?

They had a subway system to flee to. They were in no danger and they knew it. That is why they stayed for as long as they did with all of the red flags and warning signs, particularly a crap load of people outside. DUH!

@metal-brain said
You fool.
You said "Capitol security informed them".

That means members of congress had forewarning before the protesters (now insurrectionists nobody bothered to shoot) could get there before "Capitol security informed them".

Again...why were they trapped? They had forewarning before the rioters/insurrectionists could touch any congressmen/congresswomen. Right?
...[text shortened]... ey did with all of the red flags and warning signs, particularly a crap load of people outside. DUH!

This is stupid. The rioters were in the building BEFORE the members of Congress were informed they were in the building obviously. Once they had overran the building, escape routes were unavailable or perilous.

Your theories are misinformed lunacy; it's clear you utterly refuse to even look at the link I provided you which give dozens of eyewitness accounts verifying what I have related in these posts.

I'm not willing to waste further time trying to educate you when you are so unwilling to examine the actual evidence because it debunks your crank theories.

@no1marauder said
This is stupid. The rioters were in the building BEFORE the members of Congress were informed they were in the building obviously. Once they had overran the building, escape routes were unavailable or perilous.

Your theories are misinformed lunacy; it's clear you utterly refuse to even look at the link I provided you which give dozens of eyewitness accounts verifying w ...[text shortened]... you when you are so unwilling to examine the actual evidence because it debunks your crank theories.

facts…

pelosi denied NG security that Trump requested.

Video shows police inviting people in.

FBI operatives are on video encouraging violence.

Not one single FBI operative has been arrested.

The democrat committee investigating will not allow any republicans on the committee even though the committee rules state there must be five.

@no1marauder said
This is stupid. The rioters were in the building BEFORE the members of Congress were informed they were in the building obviously. Once they had overran the building, escape routes were unavailable or perilous.

Your theories are misinformed lunacy; it's clear you utterly refuse to even look at the link I provided you which give dozens of eyewitness accounts verifying w ...[text shortened]... you when you are so unwilling to examine the actual evidence because it debunks your crank theories.

This is stupid because you have not explained how the protesters got into the building without being shot.

If you were a capitol police officer how many people would you let in before you started shooting?
One?
Two?
A dozen?
2 dozen?

If the police didn't let them in they were incompetent to not shoot people until several of them got inside. Why are you blaming Trump for Capitol police incompetence?

How many insurrectionists would you let in before you started shooting? You evaded this question once before and I will not let you off so easy anymore. Answer the question.

edit:
Mott is right.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/republicans-did-fbi-operatives-organize-participate-in-capitol-riots/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/national-guard-capitol-riots/

If the FBI didn't play a role in breaking into the Capitol building what are their names and how many were there? If they witnessed the protesters breaking in they must have reported it to the Capitol police to enable congress to escape through the subway.

The more you try to explain this the more question come up that you seem incapable of answering. I suggest you reevaluate this whole fiasco. You clearly know a lot less about this than you thought.

@metal-brain said
This is stupid because you have not explained how the protesters got into the building without being shot.

If you were a capitol police officer how many people would you let in before you started shooting?
One?
Two?
A dozen?
2 dozen?

If the police didn't let them in they were incompetent to not shoot people until several of them got inside. Why are you blaming T ...[text shortened]... ou evaded this question once before and I will not let you off so easy anymore. Answer the question.

I wouldn't have shot anyone until there was no choice. The use of deadly force is a last resort; the police tried evacuation of those in peril and/or protection of them in secure areas rather than indiscriminate killing. This is what they should have done.

Civilized countries don't massacre crowds even if they are breaking laws.

That you consider police unwillingness to stage a US Tiahammen Square as equivalent to permission for rioters to invade the Capitol shows your utter lack of rational capacity.

@no1marauder said
I wouldn't have shot anyone until there was no choice. The use of deadly force is a last resort; the police tried evacuation of those in peril and/or protection of them in secure areas rather than indiscriminate killing. This is what they should have done.

Civilized countries don't massacre crowds even if they are breaking laws.

That you consider police unwillingne ...[text shortened]... uivalent to permission for rioters to invade the Capitol shows your utter lack of rational capacity.

So you would have let protesters ( you call the insurrectionists which is far worse) overrun the building risking the lives of those inside lawfully? When Ashli Babbit was shot was that no choice?

Isn't that like closing the barn door after the horses are out? If you are going to shoot someone you shoot the first person to enter unlawfully to prevent others from entering. You would let them in so they could be shot later in greater numbers.

The capitol police let them in. It is on video.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/11/new-video-shows-capitol-police-letting-jan-6-rioters-inside-and-sen-ron-johnson-is-demanding-answers/

YouTube

@sonhouse said
If they get their way there will BE no more democracy in the US and those right wing traitors want EXACTLY that.
Look at Jim Jordan, hemming and hawing about what phone calls he had with Trump on Jan 6 last year, it was clear he KNEW he was in deep legal trouble and could in fact find himself in jail as a traitor and that is just the tip of the iceberg of traitors in the re ...[text shortened]... e senate and house again so they can codify the destruction of democracy right in front of our eyes.

they think they will be the ones left holding the dictatorship stick. They want power and unlike democrats they aren't squeamish about how to get it

@metal-brain said
So you would have let protesters ( you call the insurrectionists which is far worse) overrun the building risking the lives of those inside lawfully? When Ashli Babbit was shot was that no choice?

Isn't that like closing the barn door after the horses are out? If you are going to shoot someone you shoot the first person to enter unlawfully to prevent others from enter ...[text shortened]... ters-inside-and-sen-ron-johnson-is-demanding-answers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDp0Gh8YYXw

There's nothing on your stupid video showing police letting protesters into the Capitol. Some stoner saying so doesn't make it so.

The police were overwhelmed at some of the entrances and didn't do more than tell the rioters not to enter. But that isn't "letting them in"; the rioters had already opened the doors and started streaming in. No, the police didn't open fire on them which you seem to think would have been an appropriate response. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-footage-police-trump-insurrection-mob

I already discussed Babbitt and gave you a link you didn't read. Why should I bother trying to discuss it with you again? Yes, her shooting was lawful and done under extreme circumstances where a mob was about to break into a room with trapped members of Congress and their staff.