@no1marauder saidHow do you prove he knew? That is impossible. You are also trying to outlaw free speech. That is unconstitutional. What are you thinking?
The prosecution seems quite confident that it can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew he lost the election but sought to overturn it by illegal means regardless. See Paragraph 11 of the indictment.
“This is an attack on free speech and political advocacy. And there’s nothing that’s more protected under the First Amendment than political speech,” Lauro said on CNN Tuesday evening. “Our defense is going to be focusing on the fact that what we have now is an administration that has criminalized the free speech and advocacy of a prior administration during the time that there’s a political election going on. That’s unprecedented.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/02/trump-indictment-lawyer-00109360
@Metal-Brain
Funny how free speech worked today for Trump, his lawyer said on two separate right wing stations, Trump says lets go with plan D, delay the vote count till states can resolve voting issues.
Yes, he said exactly that, Free Speech, yippee, he made Smith's case for him.
Those words BTW are admissible in court.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-panel-stunned-by-trump-lawyer-john-lauros-admission-on-fox-news
@sonhouse
The presidential electors, mostly former Bernie Sanders supporters from Washington state and Colorado lobbied their Republican counterparts in other states to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to vote against Trump when the Electoral College met on Dec. 19.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-electoral-college-faithless-trump-231731
They tried to steal the election from Trump. The corp. news media conveniently omits that.
@Metal-Brain
Oh, so that excuses the fake elector scheme started by Eastman and ran away with Trump? In battleground states, PA, Georgia, Michigan and the rest, funny how the fake elector papers had nearly the exact same format and now we know why because the head snake went with it. This was a big part of the plan where Pence was supposed to do the 'right' thing and accept those fake electors on Jan 6.
Too bad for you Pence KNEW he didn't have the authority to do that and is now speaking forcefully against it, calling Trump's lawyers CRAZED.
Sorry you won't be able to dance in the streets when Trump destroys our democracy if he is allowed to become POTUS again.
YOU will love it if he does but AMERICA won't be a democracy any more and that is EXACTLY what YOU want COMRADE.
If the jurists in the upcoming trial have the balls that the Senate did not when Trump was impeached TWICE but let off the hook by spineless repubs and if there is not a ringer installed on the upcoming jury they WILL convict which will turn off enough folks to not vote for Trump and we know full well he will not be in prison in '24 or '28 because of appeals and if he wins all that goes away because he will pardon himself and take over DOJ and SCOTUS which is exactly what you want.
Trump's support is waning on its own all by itself anyway, you can see that when he begs for thousands of supporters to come to his arraignments and such and the ones showing up are outnumbered by news hounds.
Unless they get a ringer on the jury who can pass the intense questioning they will all undergo before being picked as a jurist, anyone with half a mind can see corruption written on Trump's face.
I saw it the day after he was inaugurated, his first and I mean VERY first act as POTUS was to ATTEMPT to kill the ethics committee. Who needs that nasty ethics deal anyway?
I knew right then we were in for four years of hell and he provided it daily.
One thing, he has blood on his hands, HUNDREDS of thousands of deaths that could have been prevented from Covid if he had acted months earlier and now we find out he had money in stocks that would have gone to shyte when Pfizer came out with the vax. THAT is why he downplayed the pandemic for MONTHS which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths that would have been preventable, and notice I did NOT say cured, I SAID the vax would keep you from dying of covid.
Trump has blood on his hands BESIDES all the 'stop the steal' BS he was spoon feeding his adoring audience.
@sonhouse
No, but this does.
Democrats did it first, 60 years earlier in Hawaii.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/1960-electoral-college-certificates-false-trump-electors-00006186