Why I'm becoming more pro-choice

Originally posted by whodey
I attempted to explain but I don't seem to have gotten my point across, so let me put it another way. Value is subjective. In fact, nothing has value unless assigned value by someone, rather, it simply is what it is. So when deciding value, we must realize that we are deciding such value based upon what we assign value. If faced with the scenerio given, I ...[text shortened]... was being honest. After all, I am prone to error much like those lining up to have abortions.

Well I certainly respect you for giving an honest answer. It sounds like you feel a fertilized egg is a "living human" from an intellectual standpoint more than an emotional one.

I do think it's funny (not in the literal sense) that some people say abortion at any stage is murder, yet they support the choice for rape victims. So... you support murdering a baby just because the woman is raped? It begs the question if they really believe what they say.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
I do think it's funny (not in the literal sense) that some people say abortion at any stage is murder, yet they support the choice for rape victims. So... you support murdering a baby just because the woman is raped? It begs the question if they really believe what they say.[/b]

When did I say that I support the termination of a baby just because it was a result of a rape? I, in fact, said no such thing.

Originally posted by whodey
Attempting to decide who you should save from death, if one had to make a choice, would be an agnoizing one, no matter your choice. However, with abortion on demand this is usually not the case. For those that are, I take no issue with it.

The point of the matter is that when deciding on abortion issues, you ARE making a choice between life and death. Crime rates are related to abortions, and easy access to abortions reduces violent crime. So if you are against abortions you are in fact choosing the embryos over the five year old little girl, just in a more abstract and subtle way.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper

I do think it's funny (not in the literal sense) that some people say abortion at any stage is murder, yet they support the choice for rape victims. So... you support murdering a baby just because the woman is raped? It begs the question if they really believe what they say.

don't you think rape changes the whole situation?

I mean, its not like it was the woman's fault, since it was something that was forced on her.

I believe that we shouldn't go around allowing abortions in cases where the people involved acted irresponsibly, but in cases where the woman was forced to do something against her will, it would be understandable to allow an abortion. Im not saying one life is better than another, but I think it would be too unresonable to force the woman to suffer the consequences of something she had no control over.
Murder is murder, there is no question about that, but sometimes you have to do it for the greater good.

Originally posted by generalissimo
I believe that we shouldn't go around allowing abortions in cases where the people involved acted irresponsibly, but in cases where the woman was forced to do something against her will, it would be understandable to allow an abortion. Im not saying one life is better than another, but I think it would be too unresonable to force the woman to suffer th ...[text shortened]... murder, there is no question about that, but sometimes you have to do it for the greater good.

How do you decide for sure whether it was rape or not rape?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The point of the matter is that when deciding on abortion issues, you ARE making a choice between life and death. Crime rates are related to abortions, and easy access to abortions reduces violent crime. So if you are against abortions you are in fact choosing the embryos over the five year old little girl, just in a more abstract and subtle way.

Your point is beyond pathetic. In essence, what you are saying is the lower the population the lower the crime rate. No kidding. In fact, show me a highly populated area and I will show you a high crime rate. I think the best way to reduce the crime rate is simply to erradicate the large populations. That would be heaven on earth for those in the hard core left.

Originally posted by FMF
How do you decide for sure whether it was rape or not rape?

pick at ramdom.

Originally posted by FMF
How do you decide for sure whether it was rape or not rape?

I'll try a gain, generalissimo.

Most rapes go unreported. Almost all rapes are witnessed only by the rapist and the victim. In your 'sometimes murder is necessary for the greater good' theory, would there need to be a conviction for rape?

Originally posted by FMF
I'll try a gain, generalissimo.

Most rapes go unreported. Almost all rapes are witnessed only by the rapist and the victim. In your 'sometimes murder is necessary for the greater good' theory, would there need to be a conviction for rape?

In your 'sometimes murder is necessary for the greater good' theory, would there need to be a conviction for rape?

yes of course.
Otherwise how would you know the "victim" isn't making it all up?

Originally posted by generalissimo
[b]In your 'sometimes murder is necessary for the greater good' theory, would there need to be a conviction for rape?

yes of course.
Otherwise how would you know the "victim" isn't making it all up?[/b]

So the only rapes you would recognize are the tiny, tiny proportion that end in conviction?

Originally posted by FMF
So the only rapes you would recognize are the tiny, tiny proportion that end in conviction?

I didn't say it was perfect.

Originally posted by generalissimo
I didn't say it was perfect.

Many rape cases can take between 6 and 18 months to process, or even longer. It's not that what you said wasn't "perfect", it strikes me as being total nonsense - basically a meaningless half baked faux-moral sop coughed up by people who implacably oppose a woman's right to choose.

Originally posted by FMF
Many rape cases can take between 6 and 18 months to process, or even longer. It's not that what you said wasn't "perfect", it strikes me as being total nonsense - basically a meaningless half baked faux-moral sop coughed up by people who implacably oppose a woman's right to choose.

if you have something better feel free to post it.

Originally posted by generalissimo
if you have something better feel free to post it.

Well I am pro-choice. I support a woman's right over her own body, her fertility and her right to choose. That's "something better", I feel.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I am pro-choice. I support a woman's right over her own body, her fertility and her right to choose. That's "something better", I feel.

without restrictions?