Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowBecause the Christian Bible says so. Come on man, get in the game! 🙂
A new thread for this sub arguement. I really want to know why ivanhoe, dog, etc. think this, but don't want to steer the other thread off its more legal based train of thought.
And even if it doesn't specifically say that, I guarantee you the religious right can find 100 passages in the bible and interpret them 100 different ways to fit whatever point it is they want to make.
It all comes down to this IMO. Certain people believe they have the "answers" in life. They believe they're right. They want everyone else to live their lives the same way. And when others don't... Well you know what happens.
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeAnd totally ignoring the fact that sex NEEDS to be decoupled from
The only somewhat secular argumentation against homosexuality of which I am aware comes from the conservative pen of Roger Scruton, one of the few philosophers to write about sexual desire.
Here's a taster:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0121.html
His point seems to be that the endorsement of homosexuality encourages th ...[text shortened]... puts society at risk of not reproducing successfully. Note that he does not anywhere invoke God.
reproduction. Have you perhaps noticed there are 6 BILLION people
on the planet? Reproduction NEEDS to be reduced and if
homosexuality helps in that regard then it needs to be honored not
reviled.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowAn immoral act is not necessarily a sinful one, no deity need be quoted.
A new thread for this sub arguement. I really want to know why ivanhoe, dog, etc. think this, but don't want to steer the other thread off its more legal based train of thought.
-On the one hand, morality is generally codified by society, and thus serves to regulate behavior based on the norms of that society. Whatever is contrary to established moral principles is considered immoral.
-Then again, it can also be the principles by which an individual determines whether something is right or wrong.
Oft times those who find their principles to be outside the mainstream feel the need to berate others, and I find that immoral.
I still have trouble with the way the question is worded.
To answer "why" homosexuality is immoral one must 1st answer the question "IS homosexuality immoral?" in the affirmative .. then explain your reasons "why."
My Bible tells me homosexuality is indeed an abomination and an insult to God.
It also tells me .. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
To me, as a hetrosexual male, the question is moot. I've never had the experence of being sexualy attracted to another male.
If the question were " Why is homosexuality creepy?", I could answer, but it would be the same answer (I assume) that a homosexual would give regarding his perception of hetrosexuality.
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mor-al adj.
1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty
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It's a cop-out on my part, but I have enough trouble making my own moral judgements without making them for others.
I will say this .. in must be very difficult for a youngman raised in a strict Christian home to discover himself to be homosexual. The dilemma must be overwhelming, in particular at the onset of adolescence.
The dilemma for straight Christians is .. to judge or not to judge? To accept as Christian brothers .. or admonish and shun as sinners going straight to Hell?
Many "Christians" have no trouble at all judging other peoples sexuality ,, for myself, the saying .. "Until you've walked a mile in the other mans shoes ..etc" makes a lot of sense. I have no idea what it's like to be gay and I thank God I don't. The moral dilemma must be overwhelming in the face of a society that rejects at every turn.
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I may be the worst form of hypocrite (you tell me) .. i'm extremely attracted to bi-sexual women .. with girlfriends.
Originally posted by PullhardToday I saw an obese teenage mum, wearing jewellery from Asda light her cigarette inside the hood of her new born baby's pram, in order to shelter from the wind.
Should pregnant women be allowed to smoke and drink and take drugs? Should only women have a say in such a matter?
I wish life was simple.
Class of 2005, thats what we should be worrying about.
Originally posted by jammerYou are clearly struggling to reconcile your religious teachings with your experiences and thoughts.
I still have trouble with the way the question is worded.
I just wanted to say (as an atheistic liberal) that I applaud your efforts to think things through and come to a conclusion that satisfies the different aspects of your being. And I hope that doesn't sound patronising, because it is certainly not meant to - and I am in no position to patronise anyone.
Originally posted by jammerThat was pretty well put....
I still have trouble with the way the question is worded.
To answer "why" homosexuality is immoral one must 1st answer the question "IS homosexuality immoral?" in the affirmative .. then explain your reasons "why."
My Bible tells me homosexuality is indeed an abomination and an insult to God.
It also tells me .. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
T ...[text shortened]... m of hypocrite (you tell me) .. i'm extremely attracted to bi-sexual women .. with girlfriends.
I personally don't care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, and I will not judge homosexuals or straights as being immoral as long as no one is hurt during their consentual sex acts. God will judge homos as well as straight people according to His law. What bothers me though, (according to TV footage, as I've never attended one), is the way certain cities (San Francisco?) make their Gay Pride Day/Parade the laughing stock of the gay community, what with the masochistic costumes, wearing baby diapers and holding a double-headed dildo, leather pants that show the arse cheeks, even walking down the street naked as in San Francisco recently; it is against the law in California to walk down the street naked!!....a real circus that sterotypes gays as really being demented. I've heard lots of gays say these parades are degrading to their lifestyle. I've had gay friends and know gay people, and they are some of the nicest and smartest people around. I don't condone their lifestyle, but neither will I condemn them.