Originally posted by StarrmanActually, it doesn't really. Erm, women have that particular orifice too, you know.
Sodomy covers homosexuality so the question is somewhat redundant.
The thing that I find amusing about the debate is the fact that there have clearly been gay people for a long time, and it must have been somehting of a concern to the people in the era in which the bible was written, otherwise it wouldn't have been written about. 100 years ago, homosexuality was an offence punishable by law in Britain, and in fact still is in many countries. Up to 50 years ago, gay people were not even acknowledged to really exist by society, in many nations. Ten years ago it was still illegal in the Isle of Man (a small island of the main coast of britain with some minor differences in their legal system, but still part of britain). Now there are successful homosexuals in every sector of society, and it is not really a hindrance to the pursuit of a happy life.
This suggests to me that there will always be homosexuals, but that most people have realised that they are not evil, immoral, destroyers of society, but that they are people, plain and simple. So the hatemongers are losing ground and are pretty soon going to have to realise that they are going to be the only ones not invited to the party. this pleases me actually, because for every moron who shouts about these 'abominations before god', 5 people who maybe were apathetic either way, will take the view that the enemy of my enemy etc.
So please, try through your pathetic levels of justification (weakens morals, aids spread), and you'll fairly soon be shouting at an empty room. Then you can turn up the fire and brimstone a notch to try and win back some people and be properly 'outed' as the actual dangerous-to-society element that you are.
Honestly, some of the things i've read on this thread make me so angry i want to scream.
I am a liberal, and i just wish someone would come and call me lily-livered to MY face.
Originally posted by garyminfordHonestly, I am not sure how aids started. And I have no ill will towards homosexuals. I hate no one. But I do have an issue with the practise of same sex. My post probably should be on the Spirituality forum. I love people, I do not like what they do.
Actually, it doesn't really. Erm, women have that particular orifice too, you know.
The thing that I find amusing about the debate is the fact that there have clearly been gay people for a long time, and it must have been somehting of a concern to the people in the era in which the bible was written, otherwise it wouldn't have been written about. 10 ...[text shortened]... scream.
I am a liberal, and i just wish someone would come and call me lily-livered to MY face.
If it were true that it would hurt no one I wouldn't mind. But this is not true.
It has a great impact on society and I want to scream as well when I hear of gay couples wanting to adopt children, etc.
So please don't tell me about gay rights, they have the same rights I do. That is enough.....good night.
Originally posted by checkbaiterState your source for the great impact. In fact that statement is correct, many gay people have contributed in great ways to society.
It has a great impact on society and I want to scream as well when I hear of gay couples wanting to adopt children, etc.
So please don't tell me about gay rights, they have the same rights I do. That is enough.....good night.
Gay rights have the same rights as you? Can they get married? Can they claim the same things from insurance, tax breaks, wills, alimony, as you? No.
So, that is not enough. In fact I hadn't mentioned gay rights, but thanks for the tip.
Why do you want to scream when you hear of gay couples wanting to adopt? Is it because they might start the next generation off on this diseased, immoral, backsliding path, which will take them farther away from God's true light? Is it that you don't have faith in your God to judge the people who come before him when they die? Is that why you want to judge now? As far as I'm concerned, if you want someone to be a good adoptive couple, they should be smart, compassionate, stable, able to provide. This does not always seem to be the case with heterosexual parents who get married and have children the 'correct' way.
So don't dismiss this by saying that 'they have the same rights i do', because either you have just not looked into your argument (maybe just taken it on faith), or you are just so disgusted that you think you are being generous allowing them the right to breath. I am being overly harsh here perhaps, but your views are certainly not anything i would want to teach children.
Originally posted by garyminfordSo do you think that if a person wants to get married to a monkey he should be entitled to a marriage license, that permits them to own land together, have a tax break, and all the other marriage benefits? I don't see marriage as a right, I see it as a privilege, the same as I see a drivers license a privilege, and not as a right. Not to say that I think the government should be able to restrict who you should marry, but theres gotta be a line somewhere, The so called "progressive" thinkers will soon want to legalize marriage between animals, then maybe objects. Its gotta stop somewhere. So the government shouldn't just issue a licence to anyone, but to a man and a women.
State your source for the great impact. In fact that statement is correct, many gay people have contributed in great ways to society.
Gay rights have the same rights as you? Can they get married? Can they claim the same things from insurance, tax breaks, wills, alimony, as you? No.
So, that is not enough. In fact I hadn't mentioned gay rights, but ...[text shortened]... ly harsh here perhaps, but your views are certainly not anything i would want to teach children.
I'm in no way saying that the act should be illegal
Originally posted by checkbaiterThanks for that link. I especially enjoyed the section on that site that argues for young-Earth Creation "Science". I needed a good laugh.
Your question , "Why can't we allow homosexuals to live thier..."
Not only is it immoral, but it( The lifestyle) has consequences on society as a whole.
This site has some facts, but the list is far from exhaustive.
http://www.straight-talk.net/gay/facts.shtml
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Originally posted by flyUnityFunny, I haven't run across anybody who thinks the state ought allow you to marry your spatula or your poodle. Where do you get this stuff?
The so called "progressive" thinkers will soon want to legalize marriage between animals, then maybe objects. Its gotta stop somewhere.
Originally posted by sonhouseMuch was made in the early years of the epidemic of a so-called 'Patient Zero' who was the basis of a complex "transmission scenario" compiled by Dr. William Darrow and colleagues at the Centre for Disease Control in the US. This epidemiological study showed how 'Patient O' (mistakenly identified in the press as 'Patient Zero'😉 had given HIV to multiple partners, who then in turn transmitted it to others and rapidly spread the virus to locations all over the world. A journalist, Randy Shilts, subsequently wrote an article based on Darrow's findings, which named Patient Zero as a gay Canadian flight attendant called Gaetan Dugas. For several years, Dugas was vilified as a 'mass spreader' of HIV and the original source of the HIV epidemic among gay men. However, four years after the publication of Shilts' article, Dr. Darrow repudiated his study, admitting its methods were flawed and that Shilts' had misrepresented its conclusions.
Actually that appears to be the truth. Story goes a gay flight attendant
took a flight to Africa, contracted aids there, then on to NY and the
gay baths and the rest is history.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
I don't consider homosexuality to be any more 'immoral' than any number of other things that are against Biblical ideals.
What I do consider homosexuality to be is a less-than-ideal directing of sexual desire, contrary to what God had planned. I happen to think a very large proportion of homosexuals are made, not born, as a result of experiences at an early age. There may well be some genetics that predisposes a person to reacting to those experiences in a certain way.
Heterosexuality is something more than being about procreation, I think. As I see it, men and women are inherently different in some ways and meant, ideally to 'complement' each other. If that's true, then the same form of complementing can't happen in a homosexual relationship. Instead, it's more about trying to get the other person to 'complete' you, trying to address your inadequacies.
Of course people can try and get the wrong thing out of heterosexual relationships as well. There are plenty of dysfunctional hetero couples out there. Hence my talk of ideals.
None of the above is expressed at all well in the limited time I have right now.
Originally posted by bbarr100 years ago you wouldve never met anyone who wanted to legalize same sex marriage either, I said "soon". In 20 years once Gay marriage is legal, and put behind us, The "Progessive thinkers of that time" will most likely want to do the same with animals
Funny, I haven't run across anybody who thinks the state ought allow you to marry your spatula or your poodle. Where do you get this stuff?