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Originally posted by hopscotch
By the way, I had a look at the full table of stats, very interesting. I have now learned to avoid Louisiana if I ever visit the US. Is there anything good there anyway?
deep fried alligators!

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It's a handy method of avoiding thinking about how to deal effectively with crime.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people

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Originally posted by Anonymousnumber1
deep fried alligators!
crawdad etoufee!

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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
with this miscreant? If they'd followed my protocol of surgical penis/testical removal after his first rape conviction, he probably wouldn't have been storing 6 murdered women in his house.

[quote](CNN) -- Six women found dead at a Cleveland, Ohio, home appeared to have been strangled, and their decomposing bodies could have been lying there for " ...[text shortened]...
You need to re-evaluate your stance on the punishment of violent crime.
why not try a head removal instead?

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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
I advocate life in prison for convicted murders that we're not witnessed in the act, confessed or otherwise caught red handed.

Rapists and kiddy touchers, ball harvesting for proven guilt. This would be positive identification and DNA evidence.
you could have a stir fry!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_debate#Deterrence

Deterrence

In addition to wider moral arguments on capital punishment, the existence of a deterrence effect is disputed. Studies differ as to whether executions deter other potential criminals from committing murder or other crimes.

A November 18, 2007 New York Times article[19] reported the following information:

* One reason that there is no general consensus on whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent is that it is used so rarely - only about one out of every 300 murders actually results in an execution. In 2005 in the Stanford Law Review, John J. Donohue III, a law professor at Yale with a doctorate in economics, and Justin Wolfers, an economist at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote that the death penalty "... is applied so rarely that the number of homicides it can plausibly have caused or deterred cannot reliably be disentangled from the large year-to-year changes in the homicide rate caused by other factors... The existing evidence for deterrence... is surprisingly fragile." Wolfers stated, "If I was allowed 1,000 executions and 1,000 exonerations, and I was allowed to do it in a random, focused way, I could probably give you an answer."

* Naci Mocan, an economist at Louisiana State University, authored a study that looked at all 3,054 U.S. counties over two decades, and concluded that each execution saved five lives. Mocan stated, "I personally am opposed to the death penalty... But my research shows that there is a deterrent effect."

* Joanna M. Shepherd, a law professor at Emory with a doctorate in economics who was involved in several studies on the death penalty, stated, "I am definitely against the death penalty on lots of different grounds... But I do believe that people respond to incentives." Shepherd found that the death penalty had a deterrent effect only in those states that executed at least nine people between 1977 and 1996. In the Michigan Law Review in 2005, Shepherd wrote, "Deterrence cannot be achieved with a half-hearted execution program."

The question of whether or not the death penalty deters murder usually revolves around the statistical analysis. Studies have produced disputed results with disputed significance.[20] Some studies have shown a positive correlation between the death penalty and murder rates[21] - in other words, they show that where the death penalty applies, murder rates are also high. This correlation can be interpreted in either that the death penalty increases murder rates by brutalizing society (see brutalizing effect) or that higher murder rates cause the state to retain or reintroduce the death penalty. However, supporters and opponents of the various statistical studies, on both sides of the issue, argue that correlation does not equal causation.

In recent years, a number of new studies have been published, mostly by economists, that statistically demonstrate a deterrent effect of the death penalty.[22] However, critics claim severe methodological flaws in these studies and hold that the empirical data offer no basis for sound statistical conclusions about the deterrent effect.[23]

Surveys and polls conducted in the last 15 years show that some police chiefs and others involved in law enforcement may not believe that the death penalty has any deterrent effect on individuals who commit violent crimes. In a 1995 poll of randomly selected police chiefs from across the U.S, the officers rank the death penalty last as a way of deterring or preventing violent crimes. They ranked it behind many other forms of crime control including reducing drug abuse and use, lowering technical barriers when prosecuting, putting more officers on the streets, reducing the number of guns, and making prison sentences longer. They responded that a better economy with more jobs would lessen crime rates more than the death penalty (Deiter 23). In fact, only one percent of the police chiefs surveyed thought that the death penalty was the primary focus for reducing crime (Deiter 25).

However, the police chiefs surveyed were more likely to favor capital punishment than the general population.

Deiter, Richard. “The Death Penalty is not an Effective Law Enforcement Tool.” Ed. Stephen E. Schonebaum. Does Capital Punishment Deter Crime? San Diego, CA: Greenhaven Press, 1998

In addition to statistical evidence, psychological studies examine whether murderers think about the consequences of their actions before they commit a crime. Most homicides are spur-of-the-moment, spontaneous, emotionally impulsive acts. Murderers do not weigh their options very carefully in this type of setting (Jackson 27). It is very doubtful that killers give much thought to punishment before they kill (Ross 41).

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
w00t! Silver medal! Go SA!

I can't believe that we beat Zimbabwe... truth is that I think it would be nearly impossible to get proper statistics out of that country.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
guess what? MEXICO doesn't have the death penalty.
Wow. The idiocy just keeps growing.

How are Mexico murder rates comparable? Cross-state comparisons are much better tests because states are much less heterogeneous than countries.

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Originally posted by hopscotch
w00t! Silver medal! Go SA!

I can't believe that we beat Zimbabwe... truth is that I think it would be nearly impossible to get proper statistics out of that country.
It's interesting to look into which are the most violent cities ...

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Originally posted by Palynka
Imagine that it's from a government source.

What would your opinion about the death penalty be like then?
It looks like I'm going to have to imagine a lot, since you STILL haven't cited your source(s).

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Originally posted by hopscotch
I have seen the source, it is very credible. How does that make you feel?

Why do you immediately distrust Palynka? Do you think he'd be stupid enough to suck statistics out of his thumb?
Regardless, I haven't seen it.

I suppose you go around believing what people say, just because they say so.

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Originally posted by hopscotch
Oh lol! You're opening a can of wor... um... things.

Now xe's not going to believe you that it's derived from an Alpine French word meaning Christian and you're going to have to provide proof from a "reliable source" to satiate xym and that'll go on and on and on and on. Do you think conservapedia would be good enough? I wonder if they have an article.
Frankly I do not care about the etymology.

Merriam-Webster's definition is enough for me, and precisely how I meant it.

2 : a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person : clod, lout


And like I've told Ragnorak a hundred times, you can either use the correct pronouns when referring to me, or do not refer to me at all.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Frankly I do not care about the etymology.

Merriam-Webster's definition is enough for me, and precisely how I meant it.

2 : a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person : clod, lout


And like I've told Ragnorak a hundred times, you can either use the correct pronouns when referring to me, or do not refer to me at all.
What problem do you have with using a gender non-specific pronoun?

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Originally posted by Starrman
What problem do you have with using a gender non-specific pronoun?
Because I am not "gender non-specific".

And also because I am not ashamed of my gender.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Because I am not "gender non-specific".

And also because I am not ashamed of my gender.
1) If you were french, would you prefer to use ils (the pluralisation of the male pronoun il) to refer to a group of people in which at least one is male, irrespective of how many millions of females were also in the group, or xys (a gender non-specific pronoun which does not favour male or female in the group)?

2) We do not know for sure that you are female, not knowing you in person. The gender non-specific pronoun could be used to effectively render this irrelevant.

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